All Time ODI XI

gollum

Only thing I'd change would be, as you say, Imran in for Kapil. But I can see your point.

mariner4life

Fun thread. I like your team, even if you excluded a couple of my favourites. 
I'll play along tomorrow when I should be working

Bovidae

Why not use AB as your WK and include another batting all-rounder? Kallis, for example. A pity there isn't a lefty in your top order for variety. The obvious choices would be Bevan or Hussey.

No Quarter

We did some pretty awesome threads on all time NZ teams a while back, the balance of the ODI team was heavily debated as you can throw in quite a few all-rounders, whereas the test team was pretty settled.
 
I'll have a crack later but I would struggle to leave Kohli out of any all time ODI team. He is phenomenal in the shorter forms.

SidBarret

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Why not use AB as your WK and include another batting all-rounder? Kallis, for example. A pity there isn't a lefty in your top order for variety. The obvious choices would be Bevan or Hussey.
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I rate Dhoni as a better batsman than Kallis in ODIs and with three fast medium right hand pacers in the team already I don't think Kallis' bowling would add much.
 
Interesting observation about the lack of left handers. Might be an argument in favour of Gilchrist or Lara, but I can't see Bevan or Hussey supplanting any of the players for the roles they have been picked for.
 
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We did some pretty awesome threads on all time NZ teams a while back, the balance of the ODI team was heavily debated as you can throw in quite a few all-rounders, whereas the test team was pretty settled.
 
I'll have a crack later but I would struggle to leave Kohli out of any all time ODI team. He is phenomenal in the shorter forms.
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Kohli would be in line for Ponting's position in the team. Interestingly, when compared with his contemporaries, Kohli misses out based on his strike-rate (~85) which by my very rough view puts him in the league of Dean Jones, Abbas, Lara and Sangakara in estimation. In truth the number four spot could go to any of about five different players. Maybe Kohli will separate himself from the pack as his career develops..

MN5

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Only thing I'd change would be, as you say, Imran in for Kapil. But I can see your point.
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Yeah I don't like that decision either.
 
Lara and Sangukara should be there but hard to say exactly where.

mariner4life

M Waugh
Gilchrist
Sangakarra
Lara
Kallis
Afridi
Bevan
Khan
Warne
Ambrose
McGrath
 
My team to play your team, using only players you didn't select. Gilly to go after it. Waugh, Sanga, Lara, and Kallis to set it up (still at a decent clip), Afridi and Khan to give it a lash at the death, Bevan to steer us around if we are in trouble.
 
4 genuine wicket takers, the other 10 to be shared between Kallis and the part timers.

Chris B.

Too many Jaapies, Sid. :)
 
Usual problems of comparing across eras - in the 1980s 220 was a par score, these days it's 280 - so you probably need to knock at least 10 runs off today's top order batsmen's averages to compare them with batsmen in the 1980s. That's not entirely fair, because players today have simply got better at playing the game - Sir Viv would have to learn to play the ramp shot and the reverse sweep, or conversely today's batsmen would have to abandon them because they barely had helmets and visors when ODI cricket first kicked off.
 
On Amla - he's fashioned a superb record, but he doesn't scream "all time best" to me - a tier down as a very good player. To not put too fine a point on it, a team with two of the six best all time batsmen doesn't get knocked out by New Zealand in a World Cup semi.
 
On Pollock - well, he's probably part of the conversation, but for me Imram walks into the team ahead of both him and Kapil. Imran became a genuine specialist batsman as well as being a deadly bowler - Kapil more a bowler who could bat and hit massively - never had the genuine pace of Imran.
 
In fact, for the four great 80s allrounders I think most would rank them as bowlers: Hadlee, Imran, Kapil, Botham*; as batsmen Botham*, Imran, Kapil, Hadlee.
 
Botham comes with an asterisk because he really had two careers - the first where he was fucking good and the second where he was a bit shit, really - injuries and a bad attitude. Imran sort of did too, in that he converted himself from a deadly pace bowler to a middle order batsman. It's possible that Imran at his peak was a marginally better bowler than Hadlee at his peak - but Sir Paddles never really faded and should also be part of the conversation.
 
On Murali, a marginally better bowling record than Warne, but a significantly worse batsman. Applying the logic in selecting Pollock, you'd surely also select Warnie? 
 
Edit: Bevan warrants a place - he was phenomenal in his day.

Godder

I'd pick Hadlee - excellent economy rate, great tactical thinker, more than capable of scoring quick runs at the end and an underrated fielder.

MN5

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M Waugh
Gilchrist
Sangakarra
Lara
Kallis
Afridi
Bevan
Khan
Warne
Ambrose
McGrath
 
My team to play your team, using only players you didn't select. Gilly to go after it. Waugh, Sanga, Lara, and Kallis to set it up (still at a decent clip), Afridi and Khan to give it a lash at the death, Bevan to steer us around if we are in trouble.
 
4 genuine wicket takers, the other 10 to be shared between Kallis and the part timers. 
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That team is not exactly shit M4L. Afridi and Bevan could swap positions depending on the situation ( if you need to rebuild or smash ) and you could put the house of one of numbers 3-5 getting a massive individual score. I was tempted to suggest Dravid but his ODI record is pretty ordinary ( 12 hundreds in 344 matches ) which surprised me, no way he gets in ahead of Kallis. Gilly and Sangakarra both automatic picks if you don't have the option of Dhoni.
 
I was thinking perhaps Gayle over M Waugh ( one all time favourite for another ) but in terms of an opening combo Gilly and Afghanistan were out of this world on their day. Would be nice to see Bond or Hadlee in there although for whom I don't know considering that bowling line up.....
 
As an aside can I nominate Imran Khan as, dare I say it, an "underrated" player ? his cricketing stats are out of this world, he comfortably beats the other three all rounders of his era.

MN5

So now you fuckers have had your picks it's my turn.....( with what is left so this is essentially a third 11 )
 
Matthew Hayden
Chris Gayle
Dean Jones
Javed Miandad 
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Ian Botham
Brendon McCullum ( c and wk )
Richard Hadlee
Saqlain Mushtaq
Dale Steyn
Waqar Younis
 
Lightening pace and intimidation from Steyn and Younis with Paddles being a slightly more steadying influence bowling as first change. Spin from Mushtaq ( I may not get the choice of Warnie or Murali but google this blokes record ). Beefy and Gayle to share the remaining overs ( my team does lack bowling options up top ). It's definitely a "wicket taking" as opposed to "containing" line up so that is a bit of a risk I'll admit but can easily picture those three quicks tearing through a line up.
 
Two big hitting left handers to open the batting with numbers 3-5 set to score big and at a reasonable pace. Beefy and McCullum ( feels funny having him in the team but without Gilly, Dhoni, Sanga and De Villiers I genuinely couldn't think of anyone better and to be honest whilst a few of his teammates have captained their countires none did so better than he did so he gets the nod ) to provide the fireworks with able support from Paddles. I think I have a perfect balance of hitters and more steady players in the batsmen although the tail is potentially slightly suspect especially by todays standards.

Chris B.

You've pipped me with your third XI MN5 - we need to be a bit creative....a bit of overlap, but nonetheless....
 
Virender Sehwag
Gordon Greenidge
Dean Jones
Virat Kohli
Javed Miandad
Brendon McCullum
Richard Hadlee
Andy Roberts
Saqlain Mushtaq
Dennis Lillee
Waqar Younis
 
None of you gonna score enough runs from my attack! :)

No Quarter

Are we really saying Bondy doesn't make the top 3 all time XI's? He didn't play a huge number of games but he was pretty fucking unstoppable, regularly rolling the top sides in the world and made the much feared Aussie batting lineup his bitches on more then one occasion.

MN5

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You've pipped me with your third XI MN5 - we need to be a bit creative....a bit of overlap, but nonetheless....
 
Virinder Sehwag
Gordon Greenidge
Dean Jones
Virat Kohli
Javed Miandad
Brendon McCullum
Richard Hadlee
Andy Roberts
Saqlain Mushtaq
Dennis Lillee
Waqar Younis
 
None of you gonna score enough runs from my attack! :)
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Shit, the two Indians who's names start with V are glaring omissions from my team.
 
Just googled Andy Roberts, he had an excellent ODI record, arguments could also be made for Michael Holding too but, strangely, whilst Malcolm Marshall would be a genuine contender for the more prestigious title of all time Test XI his ODI record means he doesn't feature amongst the very best, he averaged nearly 27 in the shorter form.

No Quarter

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Kohli would be in line for Ponting's position in the team. Interestingly, when compared with his contemporaries, Kohli misses out based on his strike-rate (~85) which by my very rough view puts him in the league of Dean Jones, Abbas, Lara and Sangakara in estimation. In truth the number four spot could go to any of about five different players. Maybe Kohli will separate himself from the pack as his career develops..
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Good points and fair enough. I thought his strike rate was higher TBH. I think by the end of his career he'll be hard to leave out.

MN5

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Are we really saying Bondy doesn't make the top 3 all time XI's? He didn't play a huge number of games but he was pretty fucking unstoppable, regularly rolling the top sides in the world and made the much feared Aussie batting lineup his bitches on more then one occasion.
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I agree and I loved Bondy but I guess his career was too short to get a mention ?

Donsteppa

So many great possibilities to pick for this.
 
Sir Paddles is in my team, even if he's batting #10 or #11

mariner4life

One we have all overlooked is one D Vettori. Dan was a fucking great limited overs spinner, and contributor of (ugly) lower order runs

MN5

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One we have all overlooked is one D Vettori. Dan was a fucking great limited overs spinner, and contributor of (ugly) lower order runs
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Definitely a contender but not ahead of the other guys mentioned already and always surprised me how ordinary his batting was overall in ODIs compared to how good he eventually got in tests. I did think of him initially as an option for my team but Mushtaq had some sensational figures.

No Quarter

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Definitely a contender but not ahead of the other guys mentioned already and always surprised me how ordinary his batting was overall in ODIs compared to how good he eventually got in tests.
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Yeah but fuck this is an NZ site so let's show a bit of bias eh? Fuck we would if this was an all time rugby team, there'd barely be a player from another country selected.

The Silver Fern

All Time ODI XI