Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc
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@sparky said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
The big issue will be finding the coin to build it.
that's the only issue with all of the stadia.
There is no money.
Business cases don't stack up.Mind you, you don't have a business case for throwing a party - but you do have to spend on bbq meat and beers. But you don't throw the party when you can't pay your mortgage (which is where AC and NZ Govt are)
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@sparky said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Quay Park. Make it 55,000-60,000.
The big issue will be finding the coin to build it.
50,000 is more than enough.
The three proposals are the Te Tōangaroa bid in Quay Park including a 50,000 stadium, a 70-000 capacity sunken stadium at Bledisloe Wharf and a 55,000-seat facility at Wynyard Point. A revamped Eden Park would include building a roof.
All four options are being measured against a list of standards established by the working group.
“The criteria are closely aligned to the expression of interest process and all of the bidders have given us a wealth of information, on where you’d put the stadium, how you’d run the stadium and the finances of it are a really key component to that,” Henderson said.
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The key is not just making the development about a stadium that’s used sporadically. The key is in the proposal for retail and hospitality development (used every day) with a stadium tagged on. The retail and hospitality part of the development pays for the stadium part of the development. It’s probably why NZR are supporting that Quay Park proposal.
Although Ngati Whatua have reportedly supported Eden Park (according to one of the media sources), Ngati Whatua have long wanted to develop that land east of the CBD and have actually supported past stadium proposals for that site.
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Well, it was done in partnership with a major property Developer.
It’s a stadium in a housing estate that must have about 500 apartments surrounding it.
Clever way of building their stadium in their spiritual home of Plough Lane. (I drive past it fairly regularly) it was a pretty shoddy part of Wimbledon previously
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But stadiums now are multi use facilities that are used every day.
Plus they are actually fairly low risk from a funding point of view because they can only ever be used as a stadium - so there is stability for the owners/tenants. The ROI is over a very long period of time
If we have learned one thing about stadium development, it’s that inertia and delays only mean one thing - ever increasing costs for it. Bite the bullet, do it asap. They have had decades of this discussion and it cost them 100’s of millions of dollars the longer it takes to make an actual decision and start the project
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@DaGrubster Google do sports stadiums pay their way? or anything similar and every article effectively says a resounding no.
There's a massive capital outlay and significant opex. Even stadia that are widely utilised still financially. The other thing is it's all discretionary spend so whatever income they do bring to local hospo etc comes at the expense of someone else - unless the spend is from people travelling from outside the region which in Auckland's case would be unlikely.
You could argue the focalk point of urban regeneration project but does it really need a focal point. It's basically in the CBD. Developers should be able to make coin without a stadium not because of it
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@Winger said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
The three proposals are the Te Tōangaroa bid in Quay Park including a 50,000 stadium, a 70-000 capacity sunken stadium at Bledisloe Wharf and a 55,000-seat facility at Wynyard Point. A revamped Eden Park would include building a roof.
All four options are being measured against a list of standards established by the working group.
I spent a few days mainly in the Viaduct area a couple of months ago, but even that didn't change my lasting perception of Auckland formed from the airport into the city; that it looks old, dirty, crowded and infrastructure appears to be beyond its capabilities.
My point being whatever is done will be the cheapest, easiest option. There's no chance they'll take the chance on an Opera House type architectural landmark.
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@DaGrubster said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Well, it was done in partnership with a major property Developer.
It’s a stadium in a housing estate that must have about 500 apartments surrounding it.
Clever way of building their stadium in their spiritual home of Plough Lane. (I drive past it fairly regularly) it was a pretty shoddy part of Wimbledon previously
broadly true...now you have me thinking we should have build a hall of residence around a smaller stadium.....
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@dogmeat said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
...from people travelling from outside the region which in Auckland's case would be unlikely.
Well, to be fair more likely than elsewhere. Lots of Aussies come over to see the Bledisloe (or they did, anyway) - and if the ABs play more here folk will travel to watch.
Nearly half the population lives in Auckland Hamilton Tauranga regions. There is demand for the right product.
And I'm not supportive of that stadium investment at the moment. I am supportive of a clear plan for now and the future ... but I think we'll just wind up with Eden Park doing what it does and being sub-par for both rugby and cricket
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@Duluth a bigger version of hagley park, proper sized pitch with some grass for families on test days and a larger pavilion type stand no more than half the rest of the ground
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@Duluth said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
but I think we'll just wind up with Eden Park doing what it does and being sub-par for both rugby and cricket
Move cricket somewhere else. Build a new North stand closer to the pitch.
That's a good idea. If we have to have Eden Park, which I suspect and has been reported last week that that is what the Council will decide to do.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Duluth a bigger version of hagley park, proper sized pitch with some grass for families on test days and a larger pavilion type stand no more than half the rest of the ground
Victoria Park was suggested by a fan group a decade ago but I think Auckland cricket opposed it or something
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@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Duluth a bigger version of hagley park, proper sized pitch with some grass for families on test days and a larger pavilion type stand no more than half the rest of the ground
Victoria Park was suggested by a fan group a decade ago but I think Auckland cricket opposed it or something
There is nowhere in Auckland that doesn't have opposition.
Eden Park no 1 - too big
No 2 - ground too small, facilities don't meet test cricket, adjacent to a street
Colin Maiden - too far away
Anywhere on the north shore - isn't that a beach? Where is it? I needed Google
Western Springs - too expensive, floods
Vic Park - heavily contaminated, floods, too near motorways, I dunno, can't use it enough for domestic cricket? Existing usage maybe?I love the Vic Park concept for many reasons - but honestly as long as people make a sensible decision we should just do something. You do not need a full size stadium. Hagley should be the exemplar - simple, limited facilities and sized well for test matches.
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@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Duluth a bigger version of hagley park, proper sized pitch with some grass for families on test days and a larger pavilion type stand no more than half the rest of the ground
Victoria Park was suggested by a fan group a decade ago but I think Auckland cricket opposed it or something
There is nowhere in Auckland that doesn't have opposition.
Eden Park no 1 - too big
No 2 - ground too small, facilities don't meet test cricket, adjacent to a street
Colin Maiden - too far away
Anywhere on the north shore - isn't that a beach? Where is it? I needed Google
Western Springs - too expensive, floods
Vic Park - heavily contaminated, floods, too near motorways, I dunno, can't use it enough for domestic cricket? Existing usage maybe?I love the Vic Park concept for many reasons - but honestly as long as people make a sensible decision we should just do something. You do not need a full size stadium. Hagley should be the exemplar - simple, limited facilities and sized well for test matches.
It's just a shit show. Someone needed to front up and make the decision prior to RWC11 when they had the chance
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@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
It's just a shit show. Someone needed to front up and make the decision prior to RWC11 when they had the chance
Remember when we got offered a taxpayer funded stadium on the waterfront for free....????
