Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged)
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On assumption Coles and Moody are rested the forward 13 likely to comprise Crockett/Taylor/Franks/Sam/BBBR/Cane/Kaino/Read/Hames/Harris/CharlieF/Savea and one of Squire/PatrickT. Ofa not ready to sub at LH. <br>
I expect they'll go with Smith/Cruden/Crotty/Fekitoa/Savea/Smith/Dagg to start with TKB/BB/Naholo bench.<br>
Harsh on TJP but he's really competing with Nugget to start.<br>
If it were me I'd like to give Sopoaga/Fekitoa/Crotty combo a try but recognise this is unlikely to be the game for that.<br>
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<p>On assumption Coles and Moody are rested the forward 13 likely to comprise Crockett/Taylor/Franks/Sam/BBBR/Cane/Kaino/Read/Hames/Harris/CharlieF/Savea and one of Squire/PatrickT. Ofa not ready to sub at LH.<br>
I expect they'll go with Smith/Cruden/Crotty/Fekitoa/Savea/Smith/Dagg to start with TKB/BB/Naholo bench.<br>
Harsh on TJP but he's really competing with Nugget to start.<br>
If it were me I'd like to give Sopoaga/Fekitoa/Crotty combo a try but recognise this is unlikely to be the game for that.<br>
Bus lucky but with GOTJ out too early to blood ALB.</p>
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<p>Why play Savea at 11 when he couldn't get a start for the Canes. Put Naholo at 11 (who also covers 14) Savea shouldn't make the matchday 23 - imo</p>
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<p>Pat T has been great off the bench. Why think he might not even get a guaranteed spot on the reserves bench? He is a KEY impact player.</p>
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<p>Hames adds far less off the bench than Ofa.</p>
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<p>Barrett has probably been the best player in Super 16? Why not reward form? It is not as though he is inexperienced. He can always move to 15 later in the game. </p>
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<p>TJP has been better than TKB and is equal defensively.</p> -
<p>If Moala had been fit I think Bus <em>would</em> have missed out. But Naholo/Smith/Dagg no Bus leaves ALB on bench which IMO is too early.</p>
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<p>Pat T is massive, but my suspicion is that Squire might appeal owing to his greater mobility. The traditional weakness of Oz tighties would argue for Pat. </p>
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<p>If we wanted to start with our best scrum I'd go for Hames/Harris/Franks. Ofa is great in loose, but if Crockett were to cop an early injury Ofa on bench runs too much risk of AB scrum getting muntered for a long period. Check out Blues/Tahs, and that was Ofa on his favoured TH side!</p>
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<p>I said I <em>expect</em> the above backs. Selectors have consistently indicated they are looking for the best overall performance -- and it <em>appears</em> they believe Cruden/BB is better than BB/Cruden or BB/Sopoaga. In some ways great problem to have?</p>
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<p>At his best TJP is world class. But not sure I'd agree his D matches TKB, who can almost be like a fourth loosie. Again a case of the luxury of choice!</p> -
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<p>Hames adds far less off the bench than Ofa.</p>
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<p>Really? You must have forgotten the awful two penalty tries conceded when Tu'ungafasi was probably the most guilty part of the Blues scrum that was completely and utterly massacred by the Waratahs earlier this year.</p> -
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<p>1. If Moala had been fit I think Bus <em>would</em> have missed out. But Naholo/Smith/Dagg no Bus leaves ALB on bench which IMO is too early.</p>
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<p>2. I said I <em>expect</em> the above backs. Selectors have consistently indicated they are looking for the best overall performance -- and it <em>appears</em> they believe Cruden/BB is better than BB/Cruden or BB/Sopoaga. In some ways great problem to have?</p>
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<p>Some good points, and you might be right about Ofa. I think starting Hames with Crockett as impact is better.</p>
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<p>Per the above</p>
<p>1. Why not leave Bus on the bench and start Naholo at 11 rather than start Savea and put Naholo on the bench?</p>
<p>2. It appears they believe Cruden-BB is better BEFORE Barrett has had this breakout season. I hope Super form counts for something and that belief has changed.</p>
<p>Barrett is our best first-five. Why have him on for 20 minutes at the end and perhaps even at fullback. Why not start him at 10 and then move him to 15 if need be?</p> -
<p>Re: 1 and 2 above, I think the question is one of change up. ABs have been exceptional at bringing bench on at 60 and annihilating opposition with 10 minutes of rugby at a pace their tiring limbs can't live with. Thinking of for example Wales 2014 minutes 68 - 76.</p>
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<p>The Bus strikes me as a slow starter. If BB starts then I can't see Cruden exploding on impact (pardon the expression!) so it would have to be a BB/Sopoaga combo. Which might be extraordinary, but I can't see Shag trying for the first time this weekend?</p>
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<p>Serious question - is the team named early tomorrow morning NZ time?</p>
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<p>Just before kickoff, between the anthem and the Haka isn't it?</p> -
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I still think a Crotty 12 and Fekitoa 13 combo , is about as sound defensively as we can get with everyone available, other options may have offered more in attack though <br><br>
Was interested to read somewhere in Aussie press that the wallabies will target our midfield believing that to be our weakness in the absence of Nonu Smith</p></blockquote>
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I thought it had already been named....<br><br>- Crockett<br>
- Taylor<br>
- Franks<br>
- Romano<br>
- Whitelock <br>
- Whatshisname<br>
- Todd<br>
- Read <br>
- Youknowhim<br>
- Thingo<br>
- Bro<br>
- Crotty<br>
- Cuzzie<br>
- Tokenblue<br>
- Dagg
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<p>I thought it had already been named....<br><br>- Crockett<br>
- Taylor<br>
- Franks<br>
- Romano<br>
- Whitelock<br>
- Whatshisname<br>
- Todd<br>
- Read<br>
- Youknowhim<br>
- Thingo<br>
- Bro<br>
- Crotty<br>
- Cuzzie<br>
- Tokenblue<br>
- Dagg</p>
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<p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/1N0UjV3.jpg" alt="1N0UjV3.jpg"></p>
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<p>Are the Wallabies still banned from using the term "All Blacks"? Still haven't seen one mention it in an interview or article? Worked well last time.</p>
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<p>I have it on good authority that the ABs are banned from calling Australia 'The Wallabies' in case complacency sets in.</p> -
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<p>Some Ferners may not see Crotty as a first choice midfielder, but I'm reasonably convinced that he is for the selectors. Hansen said that he sees Crotty as a Conrad Smith type of player; a good communicator, solid on defence and making good decisions. The selectors don't expect Crotty to do the flashy stuff, unlike some of Ferners seem to expect from BOTH midfielders. I think we have only lost our first choice players for one of the midfield positions and, possibly, the midfield cover on the bench.</p>
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<p>Conrad could expose defenses with his running though too. He was a very elusive runner and not so one dimensional. The reason Crotty does not get much love from the fern is because there is a reason we are hoping for better and think there is better out there with some nurturing. Heck I ready for BB to play 1st five and Cruden might soon be an after thought and I have no dislike for Cruden. I just think BB has become the man.</p> -
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<p>Conrad could expose defenses with his running though too. He was a very elusive runner and not so one dimensional. The reason Crotty does not get much love from the fern is because there is a reason we are hoping for better and think there is better out there with some nurturing. Heck I ready for BB to play 1st five and Cruden might soon be an after thought and I have no dislike for Cruden. I just think BB has become the man.</p>
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<p>The thing about Snakey was that from what I recall of him in 2004 when he first made the ABs was that he solid defensively and ran well off the shoulder of Umaga. These are both attributes Crotty has IMO. Snakey was in and out of the side throughout 2004-07 (only played 12 tests in 4 season) but then took on a more prominent role with ball in hand and as a distributor from 2008 and beyond. So for the next 7 seasons he was the main man and developed into a world class all round player. </p>
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<p>From my perspective the early signs from Crotty is that he can build to be that sort of player.</p> -
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<p>Conrad could expose defenses with his running though too. He was a very elusive runner and not so one dimensional. The reason Crotty does not get much love from the fern is because there is a reason we are hoping for better and think there is better out there with some nurturing. Heck I ready for BB to play 1st five and Cruden might soon be an after thought and I have no dislike for Cruden. I just think BB has become the man.</p>
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<p>The thing about Snakey was that from what I recall of him in 2004 when he first made the ABs was that he solid defensively and ran well off the shoulder of Umaga. These are both attributes Crotty has IMO. Snakey was in and out of the side throughout 2004-07 (only played 12 tests in 4 season) but then took on a more prominent role with ball in hand and as a distributor from 2008 and beyond. So for the next 7 seasons he was the main man and developed into a world class all round player. </p>
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<p>From my perspective the early signs from Crotty is that he can build to be that sort of player.</p>
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<p>I think Conrad has a bit over Crotty at this stage from what I have seen with ball in hand , I can see why the comparisons , but I think Conrad never really got the full credit for his slick hands , the perfectly timed pass to put a runner into the clear after drawing in defenders , he did it so regularly , I think we too it for granted </p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="ACT Crusader" data-cid="606015" data-time="1471412559"><p>The thing about Snakey was that from what I recall of him in 2004 when he first made the ABs was that he solid defensively and ran well off the shoulder of Umaga. These are both attributes Crotty has IMO. Snakey was in and out of the side throughout 2004-07 (only played 12 tests in 4 season) but then took on a more prominent role with ball in hand and as a distributor from 2008 and beyond. So for the next 7 seasons he was the main man and developed into a world class all round player. <br>
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From my perspective the early signs from Crotty is that he can build to be that sort of player.</p></blockquote>
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Over that period I think we had something like 25 or so tests without fielding the same pairing in consecutive tests.
