Unlucky : players not picked for the 2024 SR season
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@Nepia said in Unlucky : players not picked for the 2024 SR season:
It's weird, you said he was unlucky in your initial post and then with each subsequent post you're argued against anyone else making those claims. Contrarian? Provincialism? Just feel like shitfighting?
I said he's unlucky (for example I agree on him vs Morgan or Cam Millar) but i also said i thought he was underwhelming based on what i thought he would be coming in.
Those aren't mutually exclusive.
I.e. I thought he'd be in the top 5 10s in the country by now but i agree he's in the top 15 10s so should be in a squad (I guess top 18 if you include Moana).
For some reason any possible critique of a Hawke's Bay player around here and people lose their minds.
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McClutchie is one of those players who clearly starts playing better when he can string games together. At MP, they've done nothing but chopping and changing the line-up all the time. His few starts were irregular and often in a weakened team due to rotation, and in most other games he came on when the game was already lost. For a player who clearly grows with confidence, that's not a great place to develop as a SR player. I agree there were a few underwhelming performances, but I think that had a lot to do with the team he played for (both in terms of coaching, starts, game time, poor team performances and, especially, the resulting pressure). I'd also like to point out that there were circumstances at MP that have lead to a lot of players not wanting to re-sign. Those circumstances, whatever they were, may have played a role as well in individual performances of players.
I'm not saying McClutchie will be guaranteed a great SR player if he gets a contract elsewhere; I've also never claimed he'll be up for higher honours (although I think he could be up there for the Māori ABs), but I'd like him to be given the chance at a good, well-coached team instead of MP, so we can actually see how far he can progress. It's insane that lesser players (in terms of talent and/or NPC experience) have contracts with NZ franchises and he hasn't.
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@Chiefy07 said in Unlucky : players not picked for the 2024 SR season:
I thought Lisati Milo-Harris would end up somewhere. Also thought with the shortage of locks Sam Caird and Liam Hallam-Eames might have had a look in somewhere
What has happened to LMH? He seems to have disappeared into NPC obscurity
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@Kiwidom said in Unlucky : players not picked for the 2024 SR season:
Owen Franks is with Toulouse
Blair Murray and Adam Lennox looked good in NPC and misses out but both are in their franchises WTG
Thought props Sione Mafileo and Jarrod Adams might have been picked up somewhereOwen Franks' contract with Toulouse was just running for a few weeks. He'll be back in NZ very soon.
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@Bones said in Unlucky : players not picked for the 2024 SR season:
@Nepia said in Unlucky : players not picked for the 2024 SR season:
Morgan has been cabbage in Super yet has an ongoing contract.
He's been better than McClutchie so you're not exactly pushing Lincoln's case here.
You're not pushing your case you that you actually watch rugby. Even @Canes4life has changed his tune on Morgan v McClutchie.
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@KiwiMurph said in Unlucky : players not picked for the 2024 SR season:
@Nepia said in Unlucky : players not picked for the 2024 SR season:
It's weird, you said he was unlucky in your initial post and then with each subsequent post you're argued against anyone else making those claims. Contrarian? Provincialism? Just feel like shitfighting?
I said he's unlucky (for example I agree on him vs Morgan or Cam Millar) but i also said i thought he was underwhelming based on what i thought he would be coming in.
Those aren't mutually exclusive.
I.e. I thought he'd be in the top 5 10s in the country by now but i agree he's in the top 15 10s so should be in a squad (I guess top 18 if you include Moana).
For some reason any possible critique of a Hawke's Bay player around here and people lose their minds.
No one's losing their minds, or caring about critiquing Magpies players, we happily do it ourselves and sometimes when we do that fans from other provinces lose their minds if we don't praise some of them fast enough when they finally have a good game ...
We appear to be in agreement on the base and we're just arguing on the margins, you want him to be good enough to be a starter, I think he's a squadie and that's where the issue with his non selection is.
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@Nepia I never thought Morgan was better than McClutchie, Morgan has always been limiting to me. I’ve had my hang ups about McClutchie in the past but you have to credit the bloke, he’s come of age this year.
I think I debated the fact that Love was a better prospect than McClutchie a few years back but that kind of fell by the way side when Love made a permanent shift to fullback so that debate is kind of void now.
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@Nepia said in Unlucky : players not picked for the 2024 SR season:
@Bones said in Unlucky : players not picked for the 2024 SR season:
@Nepia said in Unlucky : players not picked for the 2024 SR season:
Morgan has been cabbage in Super yet has an ongoing contract.
He's been better than McClutchie so you're not exactly pushing Lincoln's case here.
You're not pushing your case you that you actually watch rugby. Even @Canes4life has changed his tune on Morgan v McClutchie.
I watch super rugby, where he turned up looking like he'd been hanging out with Foster and then failed to fire a shot, leading to them favouring a fullback over him. Morgan has easily been better at that level.
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@Bones I decided to fact-check that and, unsurprisingly, you're talking out of your arse again.
McClutchie started in 5 games for MP this year and played four of them for the full 80 minutes. In one game, he was replaced by Leuila, not Havili, and that only happened in the 69th minute. Can't have been that bad if Leuila came on that late in the game.
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@Stargazer said in Unlucky : players not picked for the 2024 SR season:
@Bones I decided to fact-check that and, unsurprisingly, you're talking out of your arse again.
McClutchie started in 5 games for MP this year and played four of them for the full 80 minutes. In one game, he was replaced by Leuila, not Havili, and that only happened in the 69th minute. Can't have been that bad if Leuila came on that late in the game.
Our of how many games?
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@Stargazer said in Unlucky : players not picked for the 2024 SR season:
you're talking out of your arse again
Classy stuff, when else?
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@Bones said in Unlucky : players not picked for the 2024 SR season:
@Stargazer said in Unlucky : players not picked for the 2024 SR season:
@Bones I decided to fact-check that and, unsurprisingly, you're talking out of your arse again.
McClutchie started in 5 games for MP this year and played four of them for the full 80 minutes. In one game, he was replaced by Leuila, not Havili, and that only happened in the 69th minute. Can't have been that bad if Leuila came on that late in the game.
Our of how many games?
8 (of 14)
Leali'ifano started 9 games at 10 and played 6 of those games for the full 80 minutes. The MP coaches clearly didn't use the bench to cover 10, because they had William Havili at fullback, but they never moved him.
