RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus the diversion thing and the clean slate act are different things.
Diversion is usually aimed at younger offendefs or 1st time offenders and usually minor offences, to avoid a conviction on thier record that might affect thier lives (for younger people) or careers (guess this is how Frizzell got it)
Although if you offend again, the diversion offence will most likely be taken into account.
Clean slate act is where you have had a conviction and haven't been in jail or home detention for it, after 7 years you no longer need to disclose it...unsure how this works when entering other countries though.
yeah, the only people i had heard using their diversions including when i was at uni we for getting caught taking a piss in public, pinching a street sign or streaking...not for assault and then intimidation
in the end the important thing for me is he plead guilty
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@Kiwiwomble said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
in the end the important thing for me is he plead guilty
probably need to split this discussion from this thread...plenty of other offences would fit too (shoplifting, drink driving, minor assault etc) but I believe pleading guilty is a key part of getting Diversion, if you plead not guilty then it isnt usually on the table.
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thats painful to watch with how its edited, i know he's trying to make a point but cutting Mills comment into it everything 15 seconds is just painful
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@Kiwiwomble something with Paddy Gower commenting on rugby has zero credibility, so watch it, I won't.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Kiwiwomble something with Paddy Gower commenting on
rugbyanything because he is a cock has zero credibility, so watch it, I won't.Just tidied up a minor error there
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Just looking for some spilt milk so I can cry. This thread seems like a good place to start the search.
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The disallowed try stuff is getting dragged up again.
Stuff understands World Rugby has privately acknowledged to the All Blacks that the ruling out of Aaron Smith’s try in the final was in fact outside the rules, but is refusing to publicly acknowledge that. Discussions have been ongoing in an effort to get World Rugby to publicly clarify that the TMO ruling was a breach of the current rules governing the game.I'm not sure it needs an official clarification like the IRB sometimes issues on confusing or contentious laws. The protocol seems straight forward.. this was just an error.
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It is straightforward, but errors are made in high pressure situations like a RWC final. Something the officials are not immune too.
Good on Stuff for keeping this is in the news. This has a long way to run. It’s only been a few weeks since the final. Four more years!
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
It is straightforward, but errors are made in high pressure situations like a RWC final. Something the officials are not immune too.
Good on Stuff for keeping this is in the news. This has a long way to run. It’s only been a few weeks since the final. Four more years!
Barnes? Sure. Foley was in a room with at least one other person, in front of a TV screen. I would argue he and his buddies have less excuse
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
It is straightforward, but errors are made in high pressure situations like a RWC final. Something the officials are not immune too.
Good on Stuff for keeping this is in the news. This has a long way to run. It’s only been a few weeks since the final. Four more years!
Barnes? Sure. Foley was in a room with at least one other person, in front of a TV screen. I would argue he and his buddies have less excuse
agree Foley can seemingly find lots of innocuous things when a NZ player has infringed. He should own his miss and learn to shut the fuck up for a change.
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@ACT-Crusader all sliding doors anyway, we scored not long after anyway, so who knows what woulda happened if it had (rightfully) stood...they coulda hit back with a try of thier own, we could have kicked on and scored again...
It is what it is, but agree with others that the TMO is the one who has no excuse for making basic errors like that, whereas Barnes (and others in the middle) in the heat of the moment you can give him more leeway.
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@ACT-Crusader 4 more years. Its a very long time.
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The TMO system is clearly a farce. I agree entirely with Steve Hansen that it is resulting in the game being refereed in replay and I agree with Nigel Owens that is undermining the referee, in this case the best and fairest in the world. How typical, also, that World Rugby is saying nothing on the record about this. They love talking about accountability and transparency but never practise it themselves, preferring to leave the professionals appointed to adjudicate the game to take all the flak when they are just doing their jobs. Nothing can take away from the Springboks victory. They deserved it for their dogged defence and smart game management. But it rankles when such fundamental errors are made, and no-one wants to admit the mistake. That leaves a bad smell around the code and in its greatest single showcase, no less. If I were a lawyer I’d be thinking about a class action to clear out that board.
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@Duluth A rather large whoopsie, though, wouldn’t you say? “Oh dear, we said we wouldn’t invade Poland but we did. And oh, we started another World War. Sorry about that.”
