CWC - Black Caps v Pakistan
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@MN5 said in CWC - Black Caps v Pakistan:
The Black Caps are far too limited in their bowling attack to go deep into this comp. There I said it…..which is a shame cos the batting is strong as fuck.
Yeah - unlikely to be good enough and an obvious step down from India and Oz.
I've got no idea which three seamers we should play. But, playing Ish is not the answer.
I guess if you bat first and post a big enough score there's a chance anyone will fall over against you.
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@Chris-B said in CWC - Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in CWC - Black Caps v Pakistan:
The Black Caps are far too limited in their bowling attack to go deep into this comp. There I said it…..which is a shame cos the batting is strong as fuck.
Yeah - unlikely to be good enough and an obvious step down from India and Oz.
I've got no idea which three seamers we should play. But, playing Ish is not the answer.
I guess if you bat first and post a big enough score there's a chance anyone will fall over against you.
I thought that score against Pakistan would be more than enough, especially against a team so prone to self destructing as they are.
Not the case remotely. They looked completely untroubled.
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@MN5 said in CWC - Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Chris-B said in CWC - Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in CWC - Black Caps v Pakistan:
The Black Caps are far too limited in their bowling attack to go deep into this comp. There I said it…..which is a shame cos the batting is strong as fuck.
Yeah - unlikely to be good enough and an obvious step down from India and Oz.
I've got no idea which three seamers we should play. But, playing Ish is not the answer.
I guess if you bat first and post a big enough score there's a chance anyone will fall over against you.
I thought that score against Pakistan would be more than enough, especially against a team so prone to self destructing as they are.
Not the case remotely. They looked completely untroubled.
So did I.
So did Ian Smith.
TAB says to win...
India 2.00
Oz 4.00
SA 4.50
NZ 8.50
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@Donsteppa said in CWC - Black Caps v Pakistan:
I'm increasingly thinking that this should be the last Black Caps stint for Boult, unless he re-signs a central contract and fully commits again.
Other bowlers who are committed full time to the Black Caps can probably average 38 with the ball too.
Yeah he has been a very good Black Cap but could be time to move on.
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In an ideal world I'd love Boult to play for 3-4 more years for the Black Caps, especially with some of the stats in mind like the Southee/Boult partnership ones.
But for guys to contract in and out, picking Boult needs to be clearly better than having, say, Jamieson there from the start instead (or whoever).
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@Donsteppa said in CWC - Black Caps v Pakistan:
In an ideal world I'd love Boult to play for 3-4 more years for the Black Caps, especially with some of the stats in mind like the Southee/Boult partnership ones.
But for guys to contract in and out, picking Boult needs to be clearly better than having, say, Jamieson there from the start instead (or whoever).
Yeah and thinking from a test perspective ( as I always do cos ODI has rapidly become the equivalent of 7s to 15s for me ) the pace attack of Boult, Southee and Wagner are rapidly ageing. Jamieson being fully fit and firing is more important than ever.
Matt Henry has some time too and is a much better bowler than an average of 37 would suggest.
Jimmy Anderson is definitely the exception, not the norm.
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@Chris-B said in CWC - Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in CWC - Black Caps v Pakistan:
The Black Caps are far too limited in their bowling attack to go deep into this comp. There I said it…..which is a shame cos the batting is strong as fuck.
Yeah - unlikely to be good enough and an obvious step down from India and Oz.
I've got no idea which three seamers we should play. But, playing Ish is not the answer.
I guess if you bat first and post a big enough score there's a chance anyone will fall over against you.
We serve up far too many pies, it's tough to generate pressure
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@KiwiMurph said in CWC - Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SBW1 said in CWC - Black Caps v Pakistan:
Are we still in the World Cup after this game?
Due to net run rate yes - but it's academic really - there's 3 gun sides and then the 4th side will be making up the numbers in the semi whoever it is
At the last world cup we were in the exact same position and ended up almost winning it. Let's hope we can smash Sri Lanka and then it all comes down to two games.
I think we can any team on our day if it clicks but our bowling performances in the last three games are probably a bit concerning.
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@Chris-B it goes without saying but even if you score well you still have to bowl well. The old days of big score in the first innings and so called scoreboard pressure are long gone with the way batting has evolved and pitches are prepared.
Also the Blackcap bowlers aren’t in sync. There doesn’t appear to be bowling to a strategy from both ends.
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@ACT-Crusader I think scoreboard pressure is still definitely a thing, though.
It's basically a maths game - an above par score and then bowl well - you increase the proportion of good balls that have to be hit and hence increase risk - hopefully you get the necessary mistake sooner rather than later.
India just "routed" SA. Haven't seen it, but scorecard suggests this formula. Helps to have good spinners of course.
Have to admit - I was pretty startled that we picked only two seamers and a spin attack. Especially two left armers and a leggie - and only Philipps to take it away from the left handers - and certainly neither him nor Santner turn the ball a lot.
Hopefully we don't see that again and if, by some slim chance, we play SA again there better be massive DL reasons if we win the toss and field!
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I think the change is what scoreboard pressure means. It used to be a required rate of 6 was considered massively tough. I think that threshold is now 12 maybe even 14. Anything less than that and teams know from T20 how to structure an innings and how quickly you can catch up with a big over or two.
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@Chris-B I watched that Proteas v India match and I think the conditions plus a combination of inspiration from the birthday boy had more to do with things.
The wicket deteriorated and the ball was hardly coming on to the bat in that second innings.
