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    @Old-Samurai-Jack green is exactly what we need. A clean start and 4 years to work with…

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    @junior I don’t think Vaii should or will get near another AB squad, unless he shows massive improvements at Super level.

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    Cane was great in the do or die test last year as well as those noted this year. Has he picked up his super option for 2024? With his injury history though, makes you wonder how much gas there is in the tank.

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    @taniwharugby completely disagree, need to rip of the bandaid now and get a genuinely international class centre in place for 2027

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    @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:

    ClubRugby.co.nz understands that T Ellison who recently departed the Wellington Lions as their head coach, is taking up a role with the incoming All Blacks coaching team, following another stint with the Crusaders.

    that would be good defensively, no?

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    @game_film 2 cards in 2 finals in 12 months that has massive bearings on the outcome of both matches will hang heavy

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    @game_film Cane is signed until 2025. I've no idea if he has a sabbatical option though.

    I guess we'll see next year how many of the forwards were Ryan picks.

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    @Stag Yup. Be surprised if he’s in the team under Razor. Can see him wanting to get Ardie to 7 and then make use of the options at 8.

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    Seems to me Ardie will want to stay at 8 and his opinion will have sway
    Cane still has a chance but less of a chance under Robertson, but he might want time away from NZ, rest the body and the mind. Still in contention for AB level, and there aren't many contenders (did someone say Harmon? Boshier? I think I prefer the older one).
    6: I'll be surprised if Robertson does not choose a Crusader.

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    @reprobate he's proven himself as a captain IMO. Just look at his performance when Cane was red carded yesterday, he's been brilliant at picking up the pieces when Cane has been absent. (which has been quite a lot might I add).

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    i wonder why people think roberson will pick a team that they will approve of. for example he may think cane is the best person to lead the team next year as a lot of experence has gone and needs a leader that has the experence to bring the new players in

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    @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024:

    i wonder why people think roberson will pick a team that they will approve of. for example he may think cane is the best person to lead the team next year as a lot of experence has gone and needs a leader that has the experence to bring the new players in

    Yeah, we have no idea what team he will pick outside of the Crusaders bubble he's been in. He probably hasn't analysed a lot of the non Crusaders players from a selectorial point of view.

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    I would imagine he is all over the players in RWC, he'll have plans already

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    I'm actually quite excited about next year.

    I think a Roigard/Dmac combination has a lot of excitement and promise to it. It allows the AB's to change their game plan quite considerably with a much more running halfback and a much closer to the gain-line first-5.

    I hope we select some outside backs with an emphasis on tactical kicking so we can play the game in the right area's of the field. SS is an obvious choice but my goodness he needs to improve his defense.

    There's the opportunity to rebalance the loose forward trio but what this looks like I have no idea, if we want to return to a genuine fetcher at 7 no-one in the current AB team really is.

    Super rugby will be very interesting with new guys putting their hand up to fill the gaps.

    Really need a new lock to come through to partner Scooter, the loose forwards will be interesting, need to build depth at HB, 1st 5 and in the centers.

    I'm quietly optimistic, I just hope we can go in a new direction and play some exciting rugby - with all 15 players staying on the field...

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    @Windows97 yes and might mean different type of play from 12

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    @Stag said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Gunner Ioane is not and will not be a lock in at centre, we need a distributor and real reader of the game at centre going forward

    You're a ridiculously tough marker.

    I'd say Ioane's strengths are pace (elite) and defensive execution.
    He's fair to middling on distribution (for a centre) and positioning
    Work-on is (as always) vision

    He's grown massively, and is a solid as you like. I suspect he'll still be the first name on the team sheet next year.

    Over to you, who is that centre that's better than Ioane?

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    I think the 23 below as a starting point next year would be pretty decent but I'm sure other players will put their hands up during Super. First five depth is clearly an area of weakness. I've put Perofeta on the bench but it could be anyone.

    1. De Groot
    2. Taylor
    3. Lomax
    4. Barrett
    5. Lord
    6. Finau
    7. Blackadder (I think Razor will pick Blackadder over Dalton here)
    8. Savea
    9. Roigard
    10. McKenzie
    11. Telea
    12. Barrett
    13. Ioane
    14. Narawa
    15. Jordan
    16. Taukei’aho
    17. Williams
    18. Newell
    19. Vaai
    20. Flanders (I'm being Canes biased by selecting Flanders here but I think he'll have a massive season in 2024. Can cover 6/8.
    21. Fakatava
    22. Perofeta
    23. Stevenson
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    @Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:

    @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024:

    i wonder why people think roberson will pick a team that they will approve of. for example he may think cane is the best person to lead the team next year as a lot of experence has gone and needs a leader that has the experence to bring the new players in

    Yeah, we have no idea what team he will pick outside of the Crusaders bubble he's been in. He probably hasn't analysed a lot of the non Crusaders players from a selectorial point of view.

    you think? i kind of think to get the gig he would/should have shown how much he knew about players outside his current team, i also think he'll have a very good idea on all the other players in NZ from oppo research and surely you cant help but think "i wish i could pick them"

    One thing i do hope he does is reevaluate people that fozzie may have looked and and discarded (AI?), just to confirm if they werent up to it or if a different coach cant get the best out of them

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    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Windows97 yes and might mean different type of play from 12

    Well one of my issues with the AB selections was that it was very difficult to get the logic behind what skill sets they were after for certain positions.

    We had a loose forward trio made up of open-side flankers and a centre combination made up of former outside backs...

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    @Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024:

    I'm actually quite excited about next year
    So am I

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