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    Arsenal should have killed off that game in the 1st half, but Jesus missed a great chance.

    Rice going off at HT was a big blow as we lost control of the midfield. 2-2 was a fair result in the end.

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    Havertz is a complete dud. Don’t even think Luton town would take him.

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    Disappointed there is no Spurs-Liverpool content on this thread. For a neutral, the ending was hilarious as it would have been had Liverpool scored with 9 players in the 96th minute. Spurs had no clue how to break down a 9 man team, playing way too narrow with both wide players not starting wide and then cutting in on their stronger foot. Finally they get a right footer on the right to ping one into the box and Matip with the excellent finish.

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    @KiwiPie Another weekend another VAR controversy.

    How can the PGMOL contrive to be so inept?

    Howard Webb must be clocking up the miles driving around the country to deliver yet another apology. Twice to the Cottage in only six games?

    Being accountable is all well and good, but maybe they should focus on getting it right in the first place.

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    @dogmeat It was bizarre that they never reviewed the offside at all - a different issue to not drawing the lines correctly. That sort of decision was exactly what VAR was invented for - assistant made a call of offside as it was a very close call. So we could get rid of VAR and then just blame the assistants instead?

    A lot of enjoyable Liverpool whining about the cards. On Jones, looked a red to me - sure he made contact with the ball first but it ended up as a potential leg breaker for Bissouma. For Jota I disagree with Liverpool fans on the first yellow. They show footage of Udogie tripping over his own leg but given that players generally don't trip over their own legs, I think it was a cynical foul by Jota running behind the player so that he nudged his leg causing the loss of balance. Second was a clear yellow and dumb play by Jota having just been booked.

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    I think you mean jota.

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    @Billy-Tell said in EPL 2023/2024:

    I think you mean jota.

    Thanks - edited it now.

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    Tough week for Bournemouth fans. looked like we were starting to get used to the press and some players coming back and put in a woeful effort against Arsenal. To make it worse watching our Neto concede 4 and GON's Neto terrorise City made the loss even more bitter

    Finally some easier games coming up, but really need some wins otherwise will be a tough season

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    @KiwiPie said in EPL 2023/2024:

    Disappointed there is no Spurs-Liverpool content on this thread. For a neutral, the ending was hilarious as it would have been had Liverpool scored with 9 players in the 96th minute. Spurs had no clue how to break down a 9 man team, playing way too narrow with both wide players not starting wide and then cutting in on their stronger foot. Finally they get a right footer on the right to ping one into the box and Matip with the excellent finish.

    Plus they are admitting to making a mistake of the Liverpool goal that was not given. The red was harsh too.

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    @KiwiPie said in EPL 2023/2024:

    @dogmeat It was bizarre that they never reviewed the offside at all - a different issue to not drawing the lines correctly. That sort of decision was exactly what VAR was invented for - assistant made a call of offside as it was a very close call. So we could get rid of VAR and then just blame the assistants instead?

    A lot of enjoyable Liverpool whining about the cards. On Jones, looked a red to me - sure he made contact with the ball first but it ended up as a potential leg breaker for Bissouma. For Jota I disagree with Liverpool fans on the first yellow. They show footage of Udogie tripping over his own leg but given that players generally don't trip over their own legs, I think it was a cynical foul by Jota running behind the player so that he nudged his leg causing the loss of balance. Second was a clear yellow and dumb play by Jota having just been booked.

    Rubbish on Jone's red. No intent there at all and his foot rolled awkwardly off the ball. Totally accidental.

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    @broughie I thought it was red personally. Of course there was no intent, but he caught Bissouma and that's the risk you take if you don't get the ball cleanly. It's also how legs get badly broken.

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    That tackle was similar to Casemiro's, and he got a red and suspension.

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    @African-Monkey I agree, but there has to be intent. He was playing the ball and what happened incidentally was not his fault. So if you head the ball and hit someone in the head on the follow through it's a red? Doesn't make sense.

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    @broughie said in EPL 2023/2024:

    @African-Monkey I agree, but there has to be intent. He was playing the ball and what happened incidentally was not his fault. So if you head the ball and hit someone in the head on the follow through it's a red? Doesn't make sense.

    Makes all sense. Intent has no bearing and has not for some time. He had no intent to injure, but he was reckless and clumsy. Just like rugby players showing poor technique, they don't mean to hurt the attacker, but they are getting YC and RCs for being clumsy and reckless

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    Red was fine for me. Jotas first YC was harsh but the 2nd was a stonewall yellow. Goal should have stood wasn’t offside.

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    stonewall red, you can't go over the top of a ball studs up into someone's shin. That's been a red card for about 20 years. Both yellows also completely fair, you can't trip someone chasing back however accidental you make it look.

    As for the disallowed goal, it was shocking. I saw somewhere on social media that the mistake happened because the VAR official mistakenly thought the goal had been given and the cursory look was so clear cut that he said check over as it was clearly onside. It explains why the mistake was made but not why it wasn't corrected when he saw the ball being placed for a free kick.

    The concept of VAR isn't the problem, its the lack of transparency, the lack of protocol on how its used and the fact football refs are so unwilling to admit mistakes or call out their colleagues when they do

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    @canefan Just disagree. He played the ball and it was not reckless and clumsy.

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    @bayimports said in EPL 2023/2024:

    Tough week for Bournemouth fans. looked like we were starting to get used to the press and some players coming back and put in a woeful effort against Arsenal. To make it worse watching our Neto concede 4 and GON's Neto terrorise City made the loss even more bitter

    Finally some easier games coming up, but really need some wins otherwise will be a tough season

    That Wolves manager looks like he has a plan. Not really sure what Bournemouth are this season except looking like relegation contenders

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    @KiwiPie Yeah GON is a good manager. I think our new owners have the best intentions and a high press looks good and works well when all on board. However half the team haven't worked out how to play it and we recruited some players who cant play it and others who are yet to still even get out of the injury ward. So to your point it looks rather confused.

    Also our draw has not been great, but regardless the Arsenal match was a step backwards. There will be high expectations against Everton though and I am sure if we don't start getting them, then people will be under pressure

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    PGMOL have released the audio from Diaz offside. As I said above, the VAR ref thought the goal had been awarded so just said check complete. Listening to the audio it’s revealing how bad the process is and how obviously liable to a fuck up.

    PGMOL release VAR audio from Spurs v Liverpool

    PGMOL release VAR audio from Spurs v Liverpool

    Process leading to incorrect offside decision against Luis Diaz not being overturned explained as well as PGMOL statement

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