NPC 2023
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@Steven-Harris I feel like NZR is only thinking of the business side of rugby, but have forgotten about the rugby itself. NPC is the heart and soul of rugby (to use Ken Laban's words) in most provinces, or at least those outside the main centres.
It will be interesting to see which provinces they want to cull and their justification(s) for that choice. IMO, they should pull the worst financial performers first (say goodbye to Auckland and Wellington) and only then the worst performers on the field. Or just pull all the provinces that are in favour of culling provinces.
It will be hard to justify culling provinces that are performing well on the field as well as financially.
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@Stargazer that's the thing, nzr has continues to bail provinces out, so has been no incentive to be fiscally responsible knowing daddy will dig into his pocket.
NZR needed to be harder on poor financial performance after they tried to cull Northland and Ta$man, but weren't and here we are again.
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@Steven-Harris said in NPC 2023:
Hearing that up to 6 teams could be culled from the Bunnings NPC from possibly 2025/2026 onwards , apparently this is what NZ Rugby has in mind.
I doubt if they will have any hope of pushing this one through. The best they can hope for is for some teams to pull the plug themselves. And NZ rugby should focus on trying to sort our super rugby first. Like making sure there are more even team in NZ. And learn how to promote rugby at both super rugby and NPC level much better
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@Stargazer said in NPC 2023:
IMO, they should pull the worst financial performers first (say goodbye to Auckland and Wellington)
Not a smart strategy. Teams should work together to defeat NZR and their consultants. Not start fighting each other
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@Winger The choice to pull provinces comes first. Who they'll pull comes after that decision.
So if Wellington doesn't want to be pulled: a) vote against pulling provinces from the NPC, and b) if they can't stop the decision, perform better financially.
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@Stargazer said in NPC 2023:
IMO, they should pull the worst financial performers first (say goodbye to Auckland and Wellington)
Not a smart strategy. Teams should work together to defeat NZR and their consultants. Not start fighting each other
Lol any chance those Bay boys can get to get rid of us. 😂
Never going to happen. HB will be culled way before Wellington lol.
Would be a real smart move by the NZRU to get rid of the defending champions and current Shield holders. Yeah right.
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@Stargazer said in NPC 2023:
IMO, they should pull the worst financial performers first (say goodbye to Auckland and Wellington)
Last financial report from Auckland was a $871,00 surplus and reserves of over $14m. No one comes close to Auckland on the reserves
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Hard for NZR to use the financial stick and not cull Wellington - I mean would they be defending champs and Ranfurly Shield holders if they were financially prudent? So naturally NZR will have to come up with some other B/S criteria to get their own way. But given their governance review in combination with their lack of marketing of the NPC they clearly are going to do what they want to do not matter what.
As I said in another thread, they want NZR to follow a more business approach, rather than a rugby approach, which winds up like Oz with a wingnut like Kim Jong McLennan in charge ... and we've all seen what happens when you do that.
Also, kind of typical of NZR that this news leaks after a good AB performance. Can't have happy fans for too long.
@Steven-Harris said in NPC 2023:
Gotta say though , there might be a revolution if NZ Rugby decided to tread this path
NZR & franchise bases v provinces Civil War.
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@Stargazer said in NPC 2023:
@Steven-Harris I feel like NZR is only thinking of the business side of rugby, but have forgotten about the rugby itself.
The quality of NPC has gone backwards massively even in the last few years. There's way too many teams considering the overseas exodus of players.
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Looking at solutions for the NPC is stupid until they work out what optimal looks like for Super Rugby
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@Canes4life said in NPC 2023:
@Stargazer said in NPC 2023:
IMO, they should pull the worst financial performers first (say goodbye to Auckland and Wellington)
Not a smart strategy. Teams should work together to defeat NZR and their consultants. Not start fighting each other
Lol any chance those Bay boys can get to get rid of us. 😂
Never going to happen. HB will be culled way before Wellington lol.
Would be a real smart move by the NZRU to get rid of the defending champions and
current Shield holders. Yeah right.Fixed that for you.
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When NZR wanted a 10-team competition for 2010 and onwards, the criteria for determining this was:
(1) Population - 10% weighting
(2) community rugby player,coach, referee numbers - 25% weighting
(3) playing history - 20% weighting
(4) player development - academy, players selected into Super Rugby and AB's - 15% weighting
(5) Financial position and performance - 30% weighting
The criteria to be averaged out over the 2006-2009 years. -
Would it really not be viable to return to the old format? 26 teams all up, 10 each in first and second div and 6 in 3rd div. Suppose the issue is retaining the spots when you move up. I was too young to see how that played out but people seem to talk that format up pretty hard.
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@Yeetyaah Waikato was in the 2nd Div when I started going to games and I remember the finals to gain promotion. That format wouldn't work in the professional era as the best players would migrate to the Div 1 teams and the rest would be like Heartland provinces.
Whatever NZR decides to do they can't make changes to the NPC without taking into account where SR fits in the rugby landscape too.
