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<p>When was the last time NZ Rugby actually produced a hard running, tackle busting white guy in the backline ?</p>
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<p>No shit, last one I can think of is Scott "Stormy" McLeod. Other countries produce these guys in abundance......</p>
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Craig Innes (going back a bit) Keith Lowen.. Regan King (I think he was probably 1/16th or something...). It is odd that we don't produce more Jamie Roberts / George Norths tho'</p></blockquote>
Lowen is Rarotongan. <br>
King is Maori (I believe).<br><br>
Craig Innes is a good example. <br><br>
But in general I don't think we have a lot of big white hard running backs because they are earmarked as flankers early on. Whereas in countries like South Africa and England they are considered too small to play in the forwards so get shunted into the midfield.<br><br>
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<p>Back in the day John Gallagher. Ok he was English. But those old clips with short shorts (stubbies basically) and that white skin that required sunglasses it was so bright and reflective.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="602514" data-time="1470132362"><p>When was the last time NZ Rugby actually produced a hard running, tackle busting white guy in the backline ?<br></p></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="602514" data-time="1470132362"><p>When was the last time NZ Rugby actually produced a hard running, tackle busting white guy in the backline ?<br> <br>No shit, last one I can think of is Scott "Stormy" McLeod. Other countries produce these guys in abundance......</p></blockquote><br>im going to expand on your point and probably make it more confusing ,<br><br>If you walk around the streets of NZ , the biggest blokes tend to be on average , dark skinned blokes,<br><br>If you look at rugby players, the biggest blokes tend to be tight forwards ,<br><br>yet we tend to produce more White tight forwards
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Don Frye" data-cid="602543" data-time="1470138078">
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<p>Lowen is Rarotongan.<br>
King is Maori (I believe).<br><br>
Craig Innes is a good example.<br><br><strong>But in general I don't think we have a lot of big white hard running backs because they are earmarked as flankers early on.</strong> Whereas in countries like South Africa and England they are considered too small to play in the forwards so get shunted into the midfield.<br><br>
A guy like Andre Snyman would have been a 7 in NZ.</p>
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<p>I was going to make that point. Im sure there are plenty of white Kiwi flankers around who would look pretty good in some of those NH backlines where these "big white backs" seem to be. Equally guys like Roberts and Mortlock probably wouldn't look out of place on the side of the scrum.</p> -
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<p>But in general I don't think we have a lot of big white hard running backs because they are earmarked as flankers early on. Whereas in countries like South Africa and England they are considered too small to play in the forwards so get shunted into the midfield.</p>
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<p>Crazy to think how many players futures are probably set in stone at a young age by an amateur coach. For a lot of guys it's fairly obvious what their future will be (e.g. lanky guy = lock) but there must be plenty of guys who would've been in a completely different position had they grown up in a different system.</p> -
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I probably would if a Singh or a Lee made the AB's</p></blockquote>
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Danny Lee managed to play two tests without him standing out too much!<br><br>
It would be nice to get we could get a more diverse team soon. League is well ahead of us on that. They had Matt Sing playing two decades ago! -
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<p>Danny Lee managed to play two tests without him standing out too much!<br><br>
It would be nice to get we could get a more diverse team soon.<strong> League is well ahead of us on that.</strong> They had Matt Sing playing two decades ago!</p>
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<p>Meh, we had Ranji Wilson in the teens (the 1910s and I think he was West Indian). Also, I'm pretty sure we've had a couple of Samoan players with Asian heritage. Also, Sing is Aboriginal isn't he?</p>
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<p>Craig Innes (going back a bit) Keith Lowen.. Regan King (<strong>I think he was probably 1/16th or something</strong>...). It is odd that we don't produce more Jamie Roberts / George Norths tho'</p>
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<p>Seriously, how do you come up with these ideas? 1/16th Maori would mean he'd have to only have one of his great great grandparents be Maori. He's probably got two Maori grandparents. </p>
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<p>Same with Keith Lowen - he's obviously of Polynesian heritage.</p> -
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<div><br><p>Seriously, how do you come up with these ideas? 1/16th Maori would mean he'd have to only have one of his great great grandparents be Maori. He's probably got two Maori grandparents.</p>
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<p>But <em>how</em> Maori? If his paternal grandad is 3/4th & his maternal grandad is 4/6th that means hes 11/73rds.</p>
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<p>I think. My excel doesn't do th's's. And what if he's got a 1/8th Cook Islands in there somewhere. Its a minefield I tells you. </p> -
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<p>When was the last time NZ Rugby actually produced a hard running, tackle busting white guy in the backline ?</p>
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<p>No shit, last one I can think of is Scott "Stormy" McLeod. Other countries produce these guys in abundance......</p>
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<p>There is a bit of difference between a guy like George North and a Julian Savea though. No question that North is big and strong but Savea is far more explosive. I know South Africa struggles to produce the type of big backs that can bust tackles the Nadolo and Savea does.</p>
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<p>As for your original question, wouldn't Kirwan fit the bill?</p> -
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<p>So then the question becomes which NZ flankers could have been good English centres?</p>
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<p>Ardie Savea? :whistle:</p> -
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<p>When was the last time NZ Rugby actually produced a hard running, tackle busting white guy in the backline ?</p>
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<p>Some guy called Kirwan?</p> -
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<p>So then the question becomes which NZ flankers could have been good English centres?</p>
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<p>"good English centres?"</p>
<p>Are you allowed to ask a question centred around an oxymoron?</p>
