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Not sure he was really looking at the underlying issues as his main point, just framing a discussion around how conflict arises, and quickly, from events that are a series of small triggers. <br><br>
I took his angle as examining a possible scenario, from an anthropological view point. Not stating that it is the most likely outcome or even looking at what the root causes were. <br><br>
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The West has no stomach for war. People would freak if they lost their WiFi connection for a couple of hours. <br><br>
Most European countries are now also so broke that they wouldn't be able to fight for more than a couple of days. <br><br>
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<p>If war does come it will be because of overreach by Russia and China not fucking Brexit.</p>
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<p>Which I think was mostly his point. Brexit alone wouldn't do this. It might simply be one point in a series of events - both before and after Brexit, including overreach by Putin to boost his own popularity - that leads to this.</p> -
<p>You must be doing him a disservice surely? I dont think saying that the right collection of small things lead to war could possibly be the point?</p>
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<p>And why did he mention Trump? Brexit specifically... but nothing about Islamic appeasement,mass immigration, the flawed EU model? etc Unless he did... I didnt read the link, just your snippets.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">we need to avoid getting lost in arguing through facts and logic, and counter the populist messages of passion and anger with our own similar messages.
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<p>Holy shit balls....</p>
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<p>The eu prevented wars? FFs.</p>
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<p>We've been outsourcing our wars since ww2 and will probably continue to do so. </p>
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<p>i wouldn't say it has prevented wars, but closer trade relations and freedom of movement do lead to people from different countries knowing more about each other and consequently being less likely to be able to be convinced of 'us vs them'. </p> -
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<p>Never really thought about it like that - survival of the fittest... or luckiest, maybe...</p>
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<p>this is related to one of my pet hates nick, so imma have a wee rant.</p>
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<p>for humans, the fittest and best of us are not those with the strongest immune systems, but those with the best brains. the plague, and anything else like that, does not discriminate on that basis, so it is a disaster from an evolutionary point of view.</p>
<p>the thing that shits me is that you occasionally hear people making the argument that treating diseases / health problems is making the human species weaker, which is totally specious. i think it's pretty clear that humanity would not be in better shape if einstein, newton, jenner, the curies, faraday, darwin, pasteur, tesla, edison, hawking et al had died as children from something like asthma.</p> -
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<p>this is related to one of my pet hates nick, so imma have a wee rant.</p>
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<p>for humans, the fittest and best of us are not those with the strongest immune systems, but those with the best brains. the plague, and anything else like that, does not discriminate on that basis, so it is a disaster from an evolutionary point of view.</p>
<p>the thing that shits me is that you occasionally hear people making the argument that treating diseases / health problems is making the human species weaker, which is totally specious. i think it's pretty clear that humanity would not be in better shape if einstein, newton, jenner, the curies, faraday, darwin, pasteur, tesla, edison, hawking et al had died as children from something like asthma.</p>
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Fascinating article Nick, interesting how you can find cycles everywhere. One of my family works in venture capital stuff, his boss saw the last collapse coming and got their team to batten down the hatches ready. All his younger staff thought he was just being paranoid but within the year shit happened and they were cashed up and ready to capitalise
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<p>Fascinating article Nick, interesting how you can find cycles everywhere. One of my family works in venture capital stuff, his boss saw the last collapse coming and got their team to batten down the hatches ready. All his younger staff thought he was just being paranoid but within the year shit happened and they were cashed up and ready to capitalise</p>
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<p>Would be interesting to see what happens if one of those pieces doesn't fall into place e.g. Article 50 is executed byt then somehow withdrawn. Trump doesn't win - though that doesn't necessarily mean Clinton is any better... just less of a fucking cuntstack I supposed.</p>
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<p>I read the full piece on-line. TBH it sounded a bit like Winger. The guys what a philosophy professor or something? Can't remember but whatever his background has no relevance, so I was a bit bemused as to why it was published.</p>
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<p>To me it was pompous and a bit grasping at straws to try and prove his point(s).</p>
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<p>Canefan - I wonder how often your rellies boss battened down the hatches and nothing happened...</p> -
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<p>I'm just sick of the fucking hatred and pigeon holing and bullshit. Stop being fluffybunnys and just start being good fluffybunnys.</p>
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<p>A good step towards that goal then would be for people to stop attacking Trump supporters, Brexit supporters etc etc. It seems nowadays tolerance is preached but not actually actioned. Your article is a great example, the pomposity and self righteousness is incredibly confrontational, the whole article is just one long 'Fuck You' to anyone who does not agree with the political leanings of the author. In fact to use your words the article was pigeon holing and bullshit and the author being a fluffy bunny.</p>
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<p>Canefan - I wonder how often your rellies boss battened down the hatches and nothing happened...</p>
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<p>Considering his investors are a who's who in NZ business circles I'd say he knows a bit about what he is doing</p> -
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<p>A good step towards that goal then would be for people to stop attacking Trump supporters, Brexit supporters etc etc. It seems nowadays tolerance is preached but not actually actioned. Your article is a great example, the pomposity and self righteousness is incredibly confrontational, the whole article is just one long 'Fuck You' to anyone who does not agree with the political leanings of the author. In fact to use your words the article was pigeon holing and bullshit and the author being a fluffy bunny.</p>
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<p>And for the record, I think tolerance is a bit of a fools gold, the reality is that that you are not going to be very tolerant of people who treat you like shit, do things you dont like or who are just twats.</p>
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<p>Sorry are you trying to preach tolerance? I read your posts and most people who do not subscribe to your world view are "apologists" or your favourite "regressive leftie" or regressive liberal fluffybunnies</p> -
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<p>Holy shit balls....</p>
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<p>And I don't think anyone is an intellectual liberal that wants to avoid using logic and facts in a debate. <strong>In fact I would argue that the author is not an intellectual liberal at all, but a regressive leftie</strong>.</p>
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<p>Sorry are you trying to preach tolerance? I read your posts and most people who do not subscribe to your world view are "apologists" or your favourite "regressive leftie" or regressive liberal fluffybunnies</p>
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<p>Considering his investors are a who's who in NZ business circles I'd say he knows a bit about what he is doing</p>
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<p>Wasn't suggesting he doesn't but no one ever gets it right every time and for every story about someone with a premonition about getting off the doomed flight there's 100 embarrassed fools who didn't get away on their holiday</p> -
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<p>Holy shit balls....</p>
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<p>And I don't think anyone is an intellectual liberal that wants to avoid using logic and facts in a debate. <strong>In fact I would argue that the author is not an intellectual liberal at all, but a regressive lefti</strong></p>
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<p>Wasn't suggesting he doesn't but no one ever gets it right every time and for every story about someone with a premonition about getting off the doomed flight there's 100 embarrassed fools who didn't get away on their holiday</p>
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Another World War imminent?