RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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@pjay said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
No team plays like the ABs (and that is not a compliment). It is the height of arrogance to think that you have achieved some new paradigm in rugby while the rest of the best play what I call the ‘European’ way….and win
Who's claiming to have achieved "some new paradigm in rugby"?
I haven't seen any arrogance whatsoever. Just incompetence.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@stodders problem is I dont think we have the composure and smarts to win this thing.
I also dont think Foster has it in him to adjust things, even though from the outside, they seem like simple changes
Well said that man. He has shown nothing of the learnings he always talks about.
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The harsh reality (and something to bear in mind when Razor takes over) is that this is the best crop of players we’ve got, for the most part. There isn’t a 23 sitting back home who should’ve been on the plane.
I realise that the 2024 squad will look vastly different anyway, but it’s going to take every inch of SR’s coaching prowess to make that team competitive.
But for now, we’re grinning and bearing.
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@Chester-Draws said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Quick report from your local correspondent here in fucking hot Paris:
Backroom full of donkeys. Vaai, predictability, the worst of them. Tight five carried them. In as much as you can call that display "carried".
De Groot will want to forget that game in a hurry. ALB was MIA after that beautiful pop pass to Rieko.
Will Jordan is obviously a very dimwitted slow learner. Jump to contest you fuckwomble.Beaudy was bloody good until the final quarter. As was Mounga.
The blame for you Foster haters needs to be apportioned to the rest of the coaching staff who have had plenty of time to address the obvious issues. This was a collective display of incompetence.
The buck stops at the head coach. And with Ryan and Schmidt we have had some games which forwards really muscled up and attack was good versus decent opposition. Prior to them, none. So yes Ryan and Schmidt are part of the selectors and coaching team, but there has been improvement with them on board. Foster had the final say, and the midfield bomb/millions of sorry kicks/play in your own 22 has been the default under the entire foster tenure. And that leads to our losses
Ahh yes, the predictable lament that 'when we're good it's the assistants, when we're bad it's the head coach'. Those with a few more functioning synapses might start to look at the quality of player available and reflect on that body of evidence.
IMO you have to be a dimwit to believe that the problem is just the head coach.
Nope, just recognising that in the end the head coach makes the decisions, and if he ignores his assistants, then they cannot be held accountable.
We have plenty of evidence that Schmidt is a good coach, and that Ryan is a great forwards coach. If they have turned to rubbish within one year, then it is one man that has done that.
When things were going dreadfully, Foster had no choice but to allow them to make changes. Once things were going well, we saw him revert to his favourite players and plays.
By the end of next year the whining about not having decent players will be gone. It will take the change of one man in the set-up. (I'm not even particularly pro-Robertson, I think that would happen if he were to resign and say Jamie Joseph got the job.)
And you have this deep inside knowledge of the discussions between Foster, Schmidt and Ryan how?
If you think all the problems can be solved by replacing one man and then in a few months NZ Rugby will be back to the glory days of 50 point shellackings of the Boks, then I could put you in touch with some people who are selling a bridge?
You only have to look at the U20 performance since 2016, the lack of player development, the innovation in coaching and rugby structure in the NH and NZR's seeming inability to notice the rugby world has moved on to see the problems are way deeper than that
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You only have to look at the U20 performance since 2016, the lack of player development,
This bit is a real worry we have dropped the ball in this area badly.
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@taniwharugby i can see that. Foster was assistant coach of the 2015 team. He came up attack strategies that worked. But that team ran itself, with McCaw the leader.
For me, things started to go downhill when Read took over the captaincy. The attention to detail and the will to win that was so strong in the crop of 2015 was replaced by a more personable style. Read was a great player, but he didn’t extract greatness from others like McCaw.
And Foster isn’t a strong enough character to instill it in this team like Henry did when he took over in 2003 and set the ABs up for a decade and a bit of dominance.
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There was something very much of what we used to do with France ,
trading shots to stay in the game then sealing the points at the pointy end.
Move onto the next game , little fanfare .
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@Stargazer said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@pjay said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
No team plays like the ABs (and that is not a compliment). It is the height of arrogance to think that you have achieved some new paradigm in rugby while the rest of the best play what I call the ‘European’ way….and win
Who's claiming to have achieved "some new paradigm in rugby"?
I haven't seen any arrogance whatsoever. Just incompetence.
I think the arrogance comment is around the view a lot of AB supports have that NZ alway has he best players, best set up and best rugby thinkers
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Stargazer said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@pjay said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
No team plays like the ABs (and that is not a compliment). It is the height of arrogance to think that you have achieved some new paradigm in rugby while the rest of the best play what I call the ‘European’ way….and win
Who's claiming to have achieved "some new paradigm in rugby"?
I haven't seen any arrogance whatsoever. Just incompetence.
I think the arrogance comment is around the view a lot of AB supports have that NZ alway has he best players, best set up and best rugby thinkers
Not here we don't. Incompetence from the board down, as shown by the report on governance coupled with our recent records in mens XV
Well said NewsHub
21-Finlay Christie 2
Any chance the All Blacks had of turning around the 19-13 scoreline went out the window when Christie entered the fray. You have to wonder what more Cam Roigard or even Brad Weber have to do to be considered as Smith's back-up..
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Stargazer said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@pjay said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
No team plays like the ABs (and that is not a compliment). It is the height of arrogance to think that you have achieved some new paradigm in rugby while the rest of the best play what I call the ‘European’ way….and win
Who's claiming to have achieved "some new paradigm in rugby"?
I haven't seen any arrogance whatsoever. Just incompetence.
I think the arrogance comment is around the view a lot of AB supports have that NZ alway has he best players, best set up and best rugby thinkers
A lot of our IP went abroad.
And I can't believe O Gara was let into the Crusaders set up. We up-skilled the next (probably) Irish coach at the expense of a New Zealander.
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@Chris said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Emjayo
At least Razor will have 4 years to get this rabble in order and find some new talent.New talent from where?
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@Victor-Meldrew Fiji? I’ll get my coat 🙈😂
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@stodders said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@booboo Boks won a World Cup after losing 23-13 in first game to NZ in 2019.
England made the final in 2007 after losing 36-0 to the Boks in the pool.
NZ lost. Challenge now for the coaches is to build up to Italy and win, then build up to QF. If they are 5% better than they were tonight (they weren’t far off), they have a decent chance.
Foster has nothing to lose now. Throw the dice man. Give DM a run at FB. Along with JB, they have 2 siege gun boots. What exactly would the ABs lose dropping BB for DM? I know they say form is temporary, class is permanent, but world cups rarely provide fairytale endings.
Beaudy has had a very fair crack of the whip.
He has been treated more than generously.
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@Steve said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Stargazer said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@pjay said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
No team plays like the ABs (and that is not a compliment). It is the height of arrogance to think that you have achieved some new paradigm in rugby while the rest of the best play what I call the ‘European’ way….and win
Who's claiming to have achieved "some new paradigm in rugby"?
I haven't seen any arrogance whatsoever. Just incompetence.
I think the arrogance comment is around the view a lot of AB supports have that NZ alway has he best players, best set up and best rugby thinkers
A lot of our IP went abroad.
And I can't believe O Gara was let into the Crusaders set up. We up-skilled the next (probably) Irish coach at the expense of a New Zealander.
Who decided to let him in?
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Are you telling me NZ will not produce any new talent in the next 4 years.
We always do.It just depends on how many.
Game plan and tactics with some new faces has to be better than what we have.
Strip it back and start again.
