All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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@mariner4life no, but this is the same shit for the last 4 years. Over and over. "we'll take the learnings". Well the RWC is 13 days away. What exactly have we learned? How to take records? Foster, as the head coach, has to take ownership for this debacle. He had the opportunity to play the same team with some minor, minor tweaks for Bled II and this due to long gaps between tests. But no. Fucked around, found out. We'll get humped again by France but you lot will say, "it wasn't Foster" and you'll all be happy because we tickled up Italy and put some tries on the other two. Hansen did the same shit 4 years ago and got bitch slapped out in the SF. Most of you have been riding this false dawn, that the ABs have turned the corner when some of us have said "we'll see". You've been singing Forster's praises for the team doing alright this year. Well now he fucked and that should be acknowledged. Yeah it's a meaningless game but we got hosed by a record score in the eve of the RWC. 4 more fucking years.
PS i hope we still win 😉
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
This kid can play
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@Smuts said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Hard lines. Felt like the reverse uno of Mt. Smart. Everything went right for the Boks and everything wrong for the ABs.
@Bones - hope the saffirs aren’t more than usually insufferable on the train back
Amazingly gracious.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@antipodean did they lose by 40?
If the limit of your analytical capacity is to judge a game solely by the disparity of score, please don't post anymore.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Yeah well thank god that's over.
Am not as despondent as I should be.
I reckon this tipped on the first scrum penalty. Which the ref had to really search for.
After that it just compounded.
Maybe we'd have been better off conceding the try and getting back to halfway.
7-nil vs 13 for 8 minutes, then a flakey intercept. All the rest of the points came against 14 players and 7 forwards.
Add in that we were shit at pretty much eveything.
As @taniwharugby said this isn't the dominantion the score suggests.
A lot of that is fixable. Whether it will be is the question.
Big problem for me is does Bozo of the Barretts have an appointment with the Beak and get a game off?
The stark reality is that, despite a ref which spoke their language and multiple disruptions to our XV, Boks oughtn't to have been more than 7-3 up at halftime.
At end, Scooter second yellow (first was really wrong, because in no way connected to team warning) buggered things. In fact Pakman jr and I debated if he ought to have been subbed before then to prevent that.
BB shanks a clearance at beginning of second so Boks throw in 5 with us a man short. Soft score.
Then EDG and Big Sam subbed off for their cotton wool tracksuits, so AB development front five versus bomb squad.
In blunt terms, that was point when TWM sacrificed the game for sake of RWC.
Last 30 [official rather than actual time] had feeling of a trial match. Surreal.
The Wallabies 1978 spanking of ABs was way harder to take.
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@antipodean enlighten us, genius, what was worse than that? The ABs were almost blanked.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@NTA I see your Scooter Barrett and raise you to Ali Williams…..
Ha, maybe not so dumb...
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Really depressing second half (well done Springboks), but glad the pretense has been stripped bare before the cup. If we have any chance, it must be through the forward platform. However, weak/dumb players, deficient techniques or discipline, bad coaching. I really hope they can find a way to win the Cup, but it's unlikely....I am expecting Ireland or France to be victorious.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@antipodean enlighten us, genius, what was worse than that? The ABs were almost blanked.
Christ you say that like South Africa haven't blanked us before. As has Wales, Australia, France and England.
Athletic Park has been home to some average performances over the years, but I'm talking about the time an invitational XV flogged the All Blacks in Penrith. Not even a club side and they managed to score 40 points three decades ago http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=1956
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Rewatched the game sober.
Somebody said this was a reverse of Mt Smart and I fully agree. At Mt Smart the All Blacks came out of the gate like their hair was on fire and instead of standing up to the onslaught, the boks kept making mistakes to keep the All Black momentum going. In this game the All Blacks just couldn't get out of their own way. The penalties they were giving away were just braindead.
In terms of the big games coming up I think Esterhuizen has played himself into the first team. The bench frontrow made a huge statement - even in the 10min that it was seven on seven they were destroying their opposites and looks very good going into world cup with a scrum that can win penalties from minute one through to the 80th.
As good as the pack was, De Klerk was pretty terrible, bad option taking, slow, couple of handling errors.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@pakman what are your thoughts on the line-out penalties? I thought they adjusted. The first one was clear as day but after that it was like the ABs had to give them 5ms space. Then it all just compounded.
I had great seats but that was hard to see from where we were. Assumed game on Prime in UK so having to record replay on Sky before I'll be able to give a view.
Interesting from catching a little of later on that AB scrum gained a penalty when Newell first replaced Lomax.
Suspect problems were down to having to pack a lightish flanker at lock in first half.
And in second Vaa'i/Lord/Williams changes were clearly retrograde, exacerbated by being a flanker down. -
If it is cut to the muscle, you'd really need a month or more to heal for a prop, wouldn't you? The leg muscles would be unbalanced while they heal, I would have thought, a critical issue for a prop.
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@nostrildamus He won’t be able to train until the stitches are out and a few days afterwards. I would have thought it’s three weeks before he can play again at best.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@nostrildamus He won’t be able to train until the stitches are out and a few days afterwards. I would have thought it’s three weeks before he can play again at best.
No real rush before Italy game.
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I can visualise some unsung hero changing the narrative by luck rather than design, thrust into the piece due to injury or suspension. A Roigard or DMAC type getting loads of minutes due to unforeseen circumstances.
I think the Allblacks are going to belt some big team, either France up first or SA/IRE in the quarters, but can't see them putting it together over consecutive weeks.
Its going to be ref heavy, TMO heavy, score board ticking in 3's type Rugby.
Playing rippa rugby in your own 22 in Autumn on NH pitches doesn't look like its going to work 6 weeks in a row.
The team is a raking punt light both at 10 and 15.
No pressure valve being offered from 9 either bar the potential of Roigards left boot off the bench.
