All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
One bonus is there is absolutely no expectation from me we will win this WC, probably first time I have ever gone into a WC feeling that. I can enjoy the cup without pressure and if we do turn it around I will be stoked.
You had expectation we would win in 1999 after getting destroyed in Sydney in an eerily similar scoreline to this game pre RWC?
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Yeah well thank god that's over.
Am not as despondent as I should be.
I reckon this tipped on the first scrum penalty. Which the ref had to really search for.
After that it just compounded.
Maybe we'd have been better off conceding the try and getting back to halfway.
7-nil vs 13 for 8 minutes, then a flakey intercept. All the rest of the points came against 14 players and 7 forwards.
Add in that we were shit at pretty much eveything.
As @taniwharugby said this isn't the dominantion the score suggests.
A lot of that is fixable. Whether it will be is the question.
Big problem for me is does Bozo of the Barretts have an appointment with the Beak and get a game off?
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I'm intrigued you watched the game, and one of the big things you took out of it was de Groot isn't the answer? The scrum largely held whilst he was on, but once he departed Williams got wrecked. He also carried much better than Williams.
Back to Ofa and Nepo as the reserve props (depending on Lomax's injury). de Groot is still an unco around the field, the penalty he conceded at the breakdown a good example of that.
de Groot isn't perfect around the field, but listen to what Jason Ryan has to say. Test rugby isn't won by having props who can run riot with ball in hand, the improvements in the All Blacks correlate to him returning to the fray.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I didn't get to watch the game.
You really missed out on an object lesson on piss-poor forward play
But we didn't just get shit all of a sudden, we will hopefully be okay come RWC time
Bit of a one-off off day hopefully.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I didn't get to watch the game. But we didn't just get shit all of a sudden, we will hopefully be okay come RWC time
I dunno but we certainly looked shit all of a sudden ,
It was a pre 2023 performance
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Those who raving about Bo’unga finally working before the game, how do you feel now? These guys cannot get us in a position to turn things around, so unless our forwards get on top of teams early, we are going nowhere.
People have seriously discussed changing the AB selection policy to keep Mo’unga in the team. What a fucking joke. He’s not even Aaron Cruden good, let alone Carter good.
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@African-Monkey we just got humped by a record score in the lead up. Are you serious? This is Foster ball all over. Top team haven't played for a few weeks and rolls out the B/C side in Dunedin, another two weeks off and the top team gets humped. And then we have France after another two weeks off. France would put 70 on us with a two man advantage.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Our weaknesses exposed:
- kicking game flawed, high risk
- high tempo game relies on winning contact
- Jordie Barrett still makes poor decisions
- reserve locks
Scott Barrett unlucky with both yellow cards. Got tackled into halfback. Clean out on ground was penalty.
Jordie may make poor decisions but he is a big lump and least he is going forward or falling forward in contact. Similar impact on defence (for the most part).
Havili and ALB will be catnip for the NH back rows. ALB wasn't the answer 4 years ago. He has no wheels, no offload game, no kicking game and no physicality.
We have seen this movie before.
Its Jordie and Rieko or bust at this stage and I say that as someone who thinks Rieko isn't a centres arsehole.
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Well done Boks.
ABs played poorly. Boks took their chances.
Bring on the World Cup
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Those who raving about Bo’unga finally working before the game, how do you feel now? These guys cannot get us in a position to turn things around, so unless our forwards get on top of teams early, we are going nowhere.
People have seriously discussed changing the AB selection policy to keep Mo’unga in the team. What a fucking joke. He’s not even Aaron Cruden good, let alone Carter good.
You could have put any first five you like behind that pack and they'd have looked shit. Very hard in the modern game for a first five to play well behind a beaten pack because of the rush defence.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
de Groot isn't perfect around the field, but listen to what Jason Ryan has to say.
After tonite's performance, I'll give that a miss for a week or two.....
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The Springboks did what they always do and we didn’t adjust. This perplexing failure of the ABs to deal with the predictable is the biggest worry.
They didn’t adjust quickly enough to the referee, who like most northern hemisphere whistlers seemed to intent to show his superiors his affinity with every minor clause in the rule book.
They knew what the Boks would bring, but continued to put themselves under unnecessary further pressure with poor exits, dropped balls and constant infringements.
Their heads clearly weren’t in the right place and the Boks, having had their arses smacked in Auckland a couple of months ago, were up for this one.
I don’t think the ABs turned into a bad team overnight but I do believe this humiliation suggests the mental fragility that bedevilled them for much of the past four-year World Cup cycle is still there.
Perhaps they’re reading too many of their own positive press notices or perhaps many of the veteran members of the team like Beauden Barrett feel they’re on a victory lap. Either way, there’s a residual flakiness to the team. If their tails aren’t up, they are instantly flustered and then compound the damage with stupid errors and acts of outright stupidity like that of the other Barretts.
What is the source of it? While Schmidt and Ryan have clearly brought the team forward on a technical basis, the top two inches are missing and that comes down to Foster. He seems a genuinely nice bloke and is clearly well-regarded by many of the players. But the mental softness I think comes from him, as shown in his own undying loyalty to Cane as captain and Beauden Barrett.
Can they turn it around in the WC proper? I very much doubt it. World Cups are won by teams with strong set piece, impregnable defences, astute kicking, mental and physical discipline and an ability to adapt to the ref.
On all those measures, I wouldn’t be putting money on the ABs.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Its Jordie and Rieko or bust at this stage and I say that as someone who thinks Rieko isn't a centres arsehole.
Yep. The dice has been rolled and at least the pair aren't injured. I'm sure Jordie will be as pissed off with his performance as we are and go away and work on things.
