Rugby World Cup general discussion
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At this rate the referees will be too scared to ping Farrell for any of the numerous dangerous "tackles" he does in future because they know that even if they do card him (red or yellow) he is likely to escape judicial penalty and effectively make them (the referees) look incompetent.
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the most damning thing i think (other than the actual footage of a clear shoulder charge to the head)....i havent seen anyone defending him or applauding the result, another forum im on that is mostly english fans are all shocked and a bit embarrassed
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as much as i dislike being on the same side as rassie....
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@Kruse Obviously the RFU selectors need to put down their gin and tonics and weigh up the risks of the inevitability of his somewhat clumsy tackling technique happening yet again at the Webb Ellis Trophy. Clearly they need to factor in the points scored he may contribute toward against those the team concedes when they are a man down, but they are probably too pig headed to admit this.
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I just re-watched the tackle and this decision makes even less sense now. I swear we are watching a different incident
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@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup news:
Tonga should immediately appeal Moala's ban.
I don't know what I expected to see when I saw the clip of Moala - to warrant the 5 week ban I expected he stabbed someone on the field.
How can these two decisions come out around the same time?
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@Nepia said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup news:
Tonga should immediately appeal Moala's ban.
I don't know what I expected to see when I saw the clip of Moala - to warrant the 10 week ban I expected he stabbed someone on the field.
How can these two decisions come out around the same time?
yeah...its mad, looks like the guy lands first on his shoulder too so yes...dangerous, should be punished....but 10 weeks?!?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Nepia said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup news:
Tonga should immediately appeal Moala's ban.
I don't know what I expected to see when I saw the clip of Moala - to warrant the 10 week ban I expected he stabbed someone on the field.
How can these two decisions come out around the same time?
yeah...its mad, looks like the guy lands first on his shoulder too so yes...dangerous, should be punished....but 10 weeks?!?
I'm confused how a mid range sanction was 10 weeks too (despite being then mitigated down to 5 weeks).
I don't even think an Authoritarian dictator could come up with such an idiotic judicial system.
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@Nepia said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup news:
Tonga should immediately appeal Moala's ban.
I don't know what I expected to see when I saw the clip of Moala - to warrant the 5 week ban I expected he stabbed someone on the field.
How can these two decisions come out around the same time?
I agree, but as I said, it made by 2 different judiciary boards. How many times have we looked at sentences in a law court and said what the f***? It is frustrating I know but it happens all the time!
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@Dan54 said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Nepia said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup news:
Tonga should immediately appeal Moala's ban.
I don't know what I expected to see when I saw the clip of Moala - to warrant the 5 week ban I expected he stabbed someone on the field.
How can these two decisions come out around the same time?
I agree, but as I said, it made by 2 different judiciary boards. How many times have we looked at sentences in a law court and said what the f***? It is frustrating I know but it happens all the time!
Dan you are bending over backwards to make excuses for these guys. It's so much easier to join the rest of us united in outrage!
These panels don't operate in a vacuum. There is almost always a similar case with which to refer to. The almost universal condemnation is proof something very wrong has occurred
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@Dan54 Yep, two judiciary panels and two different offences.
Farrell - dangerous tackle - Law 9.13 - mid-range: suspension of 6 games if guilty
Moala - tip tackle - Law 9.18 - mid-range: suspension of 10 games if guiltyThe thing is, Farrell by all means looked guillty and because of the head contact, should have a mid-range starting point, but what Moala did probably didn't warrant a mid-range starting point, because the Canadian player didn't land dangerously (as far as I can see) and they should have applied a low-range starting point of 6 games. I can't remember Moala being a repeat offender, so he'd ended up with a 3-week ban. Farrell is a repeat offender but gets off the hook every damn time, so they'll probably consider him having a blank sheet, too.
Result would and should have (at least) been 3 weeks suspension for both, but we end up with Moala getting 5 and Farrell zero.
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mid-points and history don't mean anything when the panel somehow comes to the conclusion that it isn't a red card.
This may be the death of the early guilty plea, given even on super shakey, White Island type grounds, he got off by saying "wasn't a red card mate honest"
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@mariner4life and they have thrown the ref and the TMO under the bus too.
I mean the TMO supposedly got this really wrong, Farrell spent time on the sideline, 'incorrectly', does the TMO get sanctioned for this now?
WR heading down a very slippery slope here opening themselves up if this happens in a big game and they have a history of inconsistent decisions.
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I've never seen the twitter hordes in near universal condemnation of this farce. World Rugby surely has to step in.
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@antipodean said in Rugby World Cup news:
I've never seen the twitter hordes in near universal condemnation of this farce. World Rugby surely has to step in.
rugby union reddit full of absolute nuffies
but
they are all 100% aligned as well. Even Farrells club AND country supporters are calling bullshit.
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@Stargazer said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Dan54 Yep, two judiciary panels and two different offences.
Farrell - dangerous tackle - Law 9.13 - mid-range: suspension of 6 games if guilty
Moala - tip tackle - Law 9.18 - mid-range: suspension of 10 games if guiltyThe thing is, Farrell by all means looked guillty and because of the head contact, should have a mid-range starting point, but what Moala did probably didn't warrant a mid-range starting point, because the Canadian player didn't land dangerously (as far as I can see) and they should have applied a low-range starting point of 6 games. I can't remember Moala being a repeat offender, so he'd ended up with a 3-week ban. Farrell is a repeat offender but gets off the hook every damn time, so they'll probably consider him having a blank sheet, too.
Result would and should have (at least) been 3 weeks suspension for both, but we end up with Moala getting 5 and Farrell zero.
I say this in all seriousness.
I’d prefer you as the judge than the muppets they have milking the system now.
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I slowed down the landing of the Canadian player and I've changed my mind: the Canadian player did land on (the side of) his neck/head. It was dangerous and I think the mid-range starting point is correct.
This is a fraction of a second after the landing; lower part of his body still off the ground, clear contact of neck/head with ground.
