Ashes 2023
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@KiwiPie Yeah you're right, though it turns out there were a few of that T20 side that got either the MBE or OBE in 2022/23, so I assumed...
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@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
@KiwiPie Yeah you're right, though it turns out there were a few of that T20 side that got either the MBE or OBE in 2022/23, so I assumed...
I'm a cricket snob so giving out any lifetime awards for hit and giggle cricket seems very odd.
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fast bowler?
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@barbarian said in Ashes 2023:
He's the greatest English fast bowler
of the 21st Century - so far.
Great longevity. Economy Rate. Sense of occasion and has got better with age.
Better than Statham, Tyson, Trueman, Larwood? Very debatable.
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@dogmeat said in Ashes 2023:
@barbarian said in Ashes 2023:
He's the greatest English fast bowler
of the 21st Century - so far.
Great longevity. Economy Rate. Sense of occasion and has got better with age.
Better than Statham, Tyson, Trueman, Larwood? Very debatable.
Bob Willis and John Snow say hi too.
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@KiwiMurph said in Ashes 2023:
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I’ve just had another think, to be fair he’d be better than any Indian, Bangladesh or Sri Lankan fast bowler to play the game.
Andersons longevity is extraordinary though I’ll certainly give him that. He also improved with age very noticeably too.
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@dogmeat said in Ashes 2023:
I would put Anderson ahead of both of those two @MN5
Willis was a very honest toiler. Snow was a poor mans Shane Bond. Career curtailed by injury.
Fit (rather than fat) Botham would beat Jimmy too
Yeah possibly right but they were worth a mention.
Beefy was an incredible bowler for the first half of his career
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@dogmeat said in Ashes 2023:
I would put Anderson ahead of both of those two @MN5
Willis was a very honest toiler. Snow was a poor mans Shane Bond. Career curtailed by injury.
Fit (rather than fat) Botham would beat Jimmy too
Hmmm. 202 test wickets v 87? Yes Snow did suffer some injuries (fast bowler, who’d have thought it?), but played test cricket for around 10 years, inlcluding a run of 32 tests out of 40 1966-71, when England lost only one test.
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@KiwiMurph said in Ashes 2023:
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He’s a fast bowler in the same way that Botham, McGrath, Hadlee were. Not out and out quick but well above a medium pacer with the ability to produce the odd really fast ball. So yes a fast bowler .
He’s by some margin the top wicket taker and has had fantastic longevity and durability. Without doubt those two facts are correlated.
Is he the best ever? Or even the best English fast bowler ever? Definitely not and probably not IMO. Though such things are broadly subjective, I am also swayed by his averages and the difference between his home and away stats. There are a few English bowlers I’d rate better than him, Trueman, Bedser, Larwood for a start.
However, definitely a great.
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@Catogrande said in Ashes 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Ashes 2023:
Discuss
He’s a fast bowler in the same way that Botham, McGrath, Hadlee were. Not out and out quick but well above a medium pacer with the ability to produce the odd really fast ball. So yes a fast bowler .
He’s by some margin the top wicket taker and has had fantastic longevity and durability. Without doubt those two facts are correlated.
Is he the best ever? Or even the best English fast bowler ever? Definitely not and probably not IMO. Though such things are broadly subjective, I am also swayed by his averages and the difference between his home and away stats. There are a few English bowlers I’d rate better than him, Trueman, Bedser, Larwood for a start.
However, definitely a great.
Very well summed up.
There are cricket greats and cricket legends, I’d rate Anderson the former at a stretch. Probably only a good fast bowler until a few years ago when he went up a level.
A bowling equivalent to Graham Gooch who started terribly, was good through the 80s then went up another notch in his late 30’s to retire a great ( if not quite a legend )
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Michael Vaughan quoted as saying the rumour is both Smith and Warner giving it up after this test 😳
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@Catogrande wow
