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The hurried policy announcement with no actual timetable or detail reeks of shameless desperation after years asleep at the wheel. If there was public outrage regarding continued rules governing self isolation for COVID 19, Labour would wind that up. But there isn't so they sit on their hands
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Frank
The issue as I see it is the overall quality of the people making the decisions.I mean in this day who the fuck would want to be a politician?
One theory is that it's career politician's with no real world experience and no real understanding of how policy works in reality the ones stuffing it up. They do know how to look good in the media and generate soundbites however. Policy however? Gracious no - provided it sounds good that's the most important thing.
The theory is however is that it's very risky trying to be a career politician, certainly nothing is guaranteed hence it tends to attract 1) rich people or kids with rich parents who can bail them out or 2) highly ideologically driven individuals who don't particularly care about "their career" but care a great deal about their ideology and implementing as much of it as possible.
So were left with a void being filled by less and less people with real world experience and people with more and more extreme ideology.
It most probably over-simplifying a very complex problem, but there appeasers to be a few stands of truth there.
Politics certainly seems these days to be style over substance - though I can't say I blame them, people seem to vote for style over substance in which case you're simply giving the people what they want...
Personally all I can do is vote for my "least worst" option.
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@Windows97 said in NZ Politics:
Politics certainly seems these days to be style over substance - though I can't say I blame them, people seem to vote for style over substance in which case you're simply giving the people what they want...
Social media elections, which is why the Greens and Labour want to allow those under 18 to vote.
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It's a very well documented trend that people go from being socialist's in their younger years and move towards capitalism once they have to start to earn their own money
An acquaintance of mine was right in with the Green party during his youth/school days, went to parliament as a young green etc. etc...now he works for EY and wouldn't vote green in his life...
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@Windows97 said in NZ Politics:
It's a very well documented trend that people go from being socialist's in their younger years and move towards capitalism once they have to start to earn their own money
An acquaintance of mine was right in with the Green party during his youth/school days, went to parliament as a young green etc. etc...now he works for EY and wouldn't vote green in his life...
The Greens have gone from being idealistic to very ideological though. You would have to be in a post-modernist cult trance to want them to have power these days. Quite sad really, from a focus on serious issues like child poverty, etc to now, trans rights and other positions that naive but financially well-off people can have. There is no party that represents financially vulnerable people anymore.
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@Windows97 said in NZ Politics:
It's a very well documented trend that people go from being socialist's in their younger years and move towards capitalism once they have to start to earn their own money
An acquaintance of mine was right in with the Green party during his youth/school days, went to parliament as a young green etc. etc...now he works for EY and wouldn't vote green in his life...
We best raise the voting age then... 😉
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PIJF gone . Probably an argument in the days of declining media revenue to retain it for things like court reporting.
Some outlets in particular Stuff and the Herald made fools of themselves with the crap they put out due to this . Fortunately the Spinoff who was one of the main recipients they had no credibility to lose .
Stuff trying to pretend there was only a perception they’d lost impartially is hilarious. They were shit before they just became exponentially more shit once they were on the govt teat
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in NZ Politics:
@Windows97 said in NZ Politics:
It's a very well documented trend that people go from being socialist's in their younger years and move towards capitalism once they have to start to earn their own money
An acquaintance of mine was right in with the Green party during his youth/school days, went to parliament as a young green etc. etc...now he works for EY and wouldn't vote green in his life...
The Greens have gone from being idealistic to very ideological thought. You would have to be in a post-modernist cult trance to want them to have power these days. Quite sad really, from a focus on serious issues like child poverty, etc to now, trans rights and other positions that naive but financially well-off people can have. There is no party that represents financially vulnerable people anymore.
Any party with that ghastly Marama Davidson involved in ANY shape or form gets bit fat no from me.
Did she ever face repercussions for her “CIS white male” rant ?
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@MN5 said in NZ Politics:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in NZ Politics:
@Windows97 said in NZ Politics:
It's a very well documented trend that people go from being socialist's in their younger years and move towards capitalism once they have to start to earn their own money
An acquaintance of mine was right in with the Green party during his youth/school days, went to parliament as a young green etc. etc...now he works for EY and wouldn't vote green in his life...
The Greens have gone from being idealistic to very ideological thought. You would have to be in a post-modernist cult trance to want them to have power these days. Quite sad really, from a focus on serious issues like child poverty, etc to now, trans rights and other positions that naive but financially well-off people can have. There is no party that represents financially vulnerable people anymore.
Any party with that ghastly Marama Davidson involved in ANY shape or form gets bit fat no from me.
Did she ever face repercussions for her “CIS white male” rant ?
Nope. Unless it was from the CIS White male she's married to, but I doubt it
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Another serial rapist got home d, he wants permanent name suppression because he doesn’t want to labeled a serial rapist for the rest of his life.
Call me old fashioned but a serial rapist should go to jail and be labeled a serial rapist for the rest of their life
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@paremata said in NZ Politics:
Another serial rapist got home d, he wants permanent name suppression because he doesn’t want to labeled a serial rapist for the rest of his life.
Call me old fashioned but a serial rapist should go to jail and be labeled a serial rapist for the rest of their life
His
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@booboo said in NZ Politics:
@paremata said in NZ Politics:
Another serial rapist got home d, he wants permanent name suppression because he doesn’t want to labeled a serial rapist for the rest of his life.
Call me old fashioned but a serial rapist should go to jail and be labeled a serial rapist for the rest of their life
His
Your pronoun game is weak. Do better
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@booboo said in NZ Politics:
@paremata said in NZ Politics:
Another serial rapist got home d, he wants permanent name suppression because he doesn’t want to labeled a serial rapist for the rest of his life.
Call me old fashioned but a serial rapist should go to jail and be labeled a serial rapist for the rest of their life
His
Your pronoun game is weak. Do better
A rape can only be committed by a male.
It is a transphobic hate crime.
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@booboo said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@booboo said in NZ Politics:
@paremata said in NZ Politics:
Another serial rapist got home d, he wants permanent name suppression because he doesn’t want to labeled a serial rapist for the rest of his life.
Call me old fashioned but a serial rapist should go to jail and be labeled a serial rapist for the rest of their life
His
Your pronoun game is weak. Do better
A rape can only be committed by a male.
It is a transphobic hate crime.
Well that's sexist
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Not a labour fanboy. But vote for them purely for selfish reasons. Her position is untenable. It is up there with Darren Hughes' departure a number of years ago. She won't be back in parliament.
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@paremata said in NZ Politics:
PIJF gone . Probably an argument in the days of declining media revenue to retain it for things like court reporting.
Some outlets in particular Stuff and the Herald made fools of themselves with the crap they put out due to this . Fortunately the Spinoff who was one of the main recipients they had no credibility to lose .
Stuff trying to pretend there was only a perception they’d lost impartially is hilarious. They were shit before they just became exponentially more shit once they were on the govt teat
I supported the PIJF. However some of the stories hired under its means probably didn't meet the bar in terms of public interest. If this fund was used how it was targeted it would have been better. Ensuring better court coverage, more media representation at out the way councils. It would have proved its worth. It did pretty much hold up the Marlborough Express. We need good local media and it is what has taken the biggest hit over the last decade. Just ovet a decade ago Newstalk had local reporters in about a dozen regional locations. Now it has none outside of Auckland, Wellington and Chch. Stuff newsrooms used to be full. Now they might have three reporters on a good day. Media outlets are so stretched that they often rely on media releases from central and local organisations just to get by. The PIJF was a good idea. Just don't know if it is as properly executed or had the right peramaters.
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@SouthernMann said in NZ Politics:
@paremata said in NZ Politics:
PIJF gone . Probably an argument in the days of declining media revenue to retain it for things like court reporting.
Some outlets in particular Stuff and the Herald made fools of themselves with the crap they put out due to this . Fortunately the Spinoff who was one of the main recipients they had no credibility to lose .
Stuff trying to pretend there was only a perception they’d lost impartially is hilarious. They were shit before they just became exponentially more shit once they were on the govt teat
I supported the PIJF. However some of the stories hired under its means probably didn't meet the bar in terms of public interest. If this fund was used how it was targeted it would have been better. Ensuring better court coverage, more media representation at out the way councils. It would have proved its worth. It did pretty much hold up the Marlborough Express. We need good local media and it is what has taken the biggest hit over the last decade. Just ovet a decade ago Newstalk had local reporters in about a dozen regional locations. Now it has none outside of Auckland, Wellington and Chch. Stuff newsrooms used to be full. Now they might have three reporters on a good day. Media outlets are so stretched that they often rely on media releases from central and local organisations just to get by. The PIJF was a good idea. Just don't know if it is as properly executed or had the right peramaters.
It definitely didn’t have the right parameters and the wording was so vague some outlets made fools of themselves trying to post content to comply ( maori visiting Antarctica anyone?) and if you didn’t comply it had to be paid back .
I think it needed to exist for court reporting, councils and probably a couple of other things that news outlets can’t really afford the manpower to cover . Unfortunately like most things associated with this government it became a farce.
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@SouthernMann said in NZ Politics:
Not a labour fanboy. But vote for them purely for selfish reasons. Her position is untenable. It is up there with Darren Hughes' departure a number of years ago. She won't be back in parliament.
Darren Hughes works for labour in the Uk , having a terrified teenage boy run naked from your house at 3 am is apparently not the big deal you’d think it is.
Last week I said law and order would probably cost labour the election now the justice minister has driven drunk, hit a park car, left the scene and resisted arrest . Nothing could sum up the incompetent tragicomic farce that is our government more than that.
All we need now to complete the picture is the Downfall parody video where Hipkins gets the call at 1 am .
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