Ashes 2023
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@barbarian said in Ashes 2023:
I woke up this morning, saw the headline about Bairstow and thought 'here we go'. Loaded up the clip expecting to see something heinous, unsportsmanlike, sneaky. Healy kicking off the bails type shit.
But what I saw was a batsman having a brain melt and wandering down the wicket without watching the ball. Clearly out.
But it's important to note the golden rule about the 'spirit of cricket'. It ONLY applies when in relation to a line-ball decision that goes against your team. So England are entirely fair to use it, as they have been entirely fair to ignore it on countless past occassions where the decision has gone their way.
They take a 2-0 moral lead and you just can't see Australia getting past them.
Was that with the green n gold eye patch on…. 😉
For me it was in the “that’s a little off” category as opposed to some of the hypa-bowl that has ensued since.
I’m more disappointed with Stokes attempted pull shot. That was not good and he didn’t need to do it.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Ashes 2023:
@barbarian said in Ashes 2023:
I woke up this morning, saw the headline about Bairstow and thought 'here we go'. Loaded up the clip expecting to see something heinous, unsportsmanlike, sneaky. Healy kicking off the bails type shit.
But what I saw was a batsman having a brain melt and wandering down the wicket without watching the ball. Clearly out.
But it's important to note the golden rule about the 'spirit of cricket'. It ONLY applies when in relation to a line-ball decision that goes against your team. So England are entirely fair to use it, as they have been entirely fair to ignore it on countless past occassions where the decision has gone their way.
They take a 2-0 moral lead and you just can't see Australia getting past them.
Was that with the green n gold eye patch on…. 😉
For me it was in the “that’s a little off” category as opposed to some of the hypa-bowl that has ensued since.
I’m more disappointed with Stokes attempted pull shot. That was not good and he didn’t need to do it.
Eye patch is a permanent fixture, obviously.
I think 'that's a bit off' is a fair enough position to take. I disagree but that's OK. It's the holier-than-thou spirit of cricket stuff, the faux outrage, the 'death of civility' garbage that I can't stand.
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I have to admit that I'd probably be hypocritically sulky if it had happened to us....
But when Stuart hits it to first slip and stands his ground Broad starts claiming it's the worst thing he's seen on the field, on top of Ben Stokes becoming an expert on how you should and shouldn't win crunch games at Lords (plus BMac, the Long Room, etc)... I'm struggling to reach my usual 'maybe a warning first?' threshold
As a few have noted elsewhere, some of the "rules are rules" brigade from Day Four quickly became "how very dare!" bandwagoners on Day Five.
Of note to Spirit conversations, the Preamble to the Laws: Spirit of Cricket section on Lords own website states "Accept the umpire’s decision".
If the Umpires had strong concerns (while acknowledging not all would ask)... I am guessing we'd have heard by now whether the on-field Umpires had asked Cummins if the Australians wanted to withdraw their appeal.
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@broughie said in Ashes 2023:
@NTA I think Ponting has it right in the time of possession. First part of link although you probably have already heard his comments.
Amazing that Ponting doesn't know such a simple rule.
We're taught that in first few years learning the game, hence why we roll when we take a catch with wrist cocked off the ground.
Is this a different Australian interpretation thing? As in isn't this the same thing (well, a minor part) that caused the Indian tour blow up in 2008? Someone took a slip catch and scraped it along the ground. The Aussie Rules ('in control') intepretation slipping in to their cricket expectations?
But, in saying that. Kyle Jamieson had one of these ruled out a year or 2 ago, and he and some NZ fans were bemused. To my bemusement. Jamieson at least had the excuse for his (imo brain fade) that it was a caight-and-bowled and the instinct to protect your elbows on the hard wicket block may have over-ruled his instinct to take a proper catch as per the rules. But he seemed bemused, which was a big worry.
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It's the photo they used for Stokes that cracks me up
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@barbarian said in Ashes 2023:
I woke up this morning, saw the headline about Bairstow and thought 'here we go'. Loaded up the clip expecting to see something heinous, unsportsmanlike, sneaky. Healy kicking off the bails type shit.
This came up on my FB feed in response to someone calling Oz "cheats" and going against the spirit of cricket.
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Absolute cracking selection of posts this morning - almost 100% of them entirely predictable:
- Whinging about whinging poms
- Trawls through twitter to find obscure references to things which "prove" hypocrisy
- Link to a betoota article
- References to the great cricket robbery of 2019
This was the only thing I didn't see coming ....
@Virgil said in Ashes 2023:
Can't believe im saying this
but OZ definitely in the right here.
Bairstow, what a fucking muppet. Every age grade kid playing cricket knows STAY IN YOUR FUCKING CREASE!! until the ball is dead/no longer in play.
What the fuck was he thinking? and what the fuck did he think would happen.Who are you and what have you done with @virgil.
Odd to see to many backing the Aussies after an act of sporting shithousery. Puts a bit of fire in the rest of the Ashes though (which I now agree, the Poms may well lose 5-0).
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@MajorRage said in Ashes 2023:
Absolute cracking selection of posts this morning - almost 100% of them entirely predictable:
Nothing new. Exactly the same thing happened in 1882 apparently when WG Grace ran out Australia's Sammy Jones in the same way. Of course we didn't have Twitter or The Fern back then to enlighten and entertain us...
On a more serious note, Cricket has left me cold over the last few years. Have tried to get back into it but tended to switch off after a while. This series though has been good to watch and dip in and out of. Maybe not a classic like '05, but pretty damn good so far.
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@MajorRage said in Ashes 2023:
Absolute cracking selection of posts this morning - almost 100% of them entirely predictable:
- Whinging about whinging poms
- Trawls through twitter to find obscure references to things which "prove" hypocrisy
- Link to a betoota article
- References to the great cricket robbery of 2019
This was the only thing I didn't see coming ....
@Virgil said in Ashes 2023:
Can't believe im saying this
but OZ definitely in the right here.
Bairstow, what a fucking muppet. Every age grade kid playing cricket knows STAY IN YOUR FUCKING CREASE!! until the ball is dead/no longer in play.
What the fuck was he thinking? and what the fuck did he think would happen.Who are you and what have you done with @virgil.
Odd to see to many backing the Aussies after an act of sporting shithousery. Puts a bit of fire in the rest of the Ashes though (which I now agree, the Poms may well lose 5-0).
Nothing odd about it at all. If there’s one thing kiwis hate more than a cheating Aussie ( if you can even call it that ) it’s a whinging Pom and by crikey there’s been a lot of that.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Ashes 2023:
@MajorRage said in Ashes 2023:
Absolute cracking selection of posts this morning - almost 100% of them entirely predictable:
Nothing new. Exactly the same thing happened in 1882 apparently when WG Grace ran out Australia's Sammy Jones in the same way. Of course we didn't have Twitter or The Fern back then to enlighten and entertain us...
On a more serious note, Cricket has left me cold over the last few years. Have tried to get back into it but tended to switch off after a while. This series though has been good to watch and dip in and out of. Maybe not a classic like '05, but pretty damn good so far.
I’m the opposite. Good Test cricket is the best form of the game by absolute far.
Couldn’t give two shits about the IPL or big bash or whatever……
Not TOO concerned about the upcoming 50 over tourney either but will be cheering on the mighty Scots who prevented the Windies from even qualifying.
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@MN5 said in Ashes 2023:
Not TOO concerned about the upcoming 50 over tourney either but will be cheering on the mighty Scots who prevented the Windies from even qualifying.
To digress from the Ashes, the eight year old version of me would be in absolute disbelief that the team in front of him with Richards, Garner, Marshall, Greenidge et al would ever have to qualify to play in a CWC, let alone fail to qualify altogether...
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@MN5 said in Ashes 2023:
Nothing odd about it at all. If there’s one thing kiwis hate more than a cheating Aussie ( if you can even call it that ) it’s a whinging Pom and by crikey there’s been a lot of that.
I'm a kiwi, don't tell me what I think.
I didn't say cheating, and frankly I'm not sure any on the forum actually did. I said shithousery, which it is.
The idea that in the reverse our general fanbase or media would be acting any different is simply ludicrous.
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@MajorRage said in Ashes 2023:
@MN5 said in Ashes 2023:
Nothing odd about it at all. If there’s one thing kiwis hate more than a cheating Aussie ( if you can even call it that ) it’s a whinging Pom and by crikey there’s been a lot of that.
I'm a kiwi, don't tell me what I think.
I didn't say cheating, and frankly I'm not sure any on the forum actually did. I said shithousery, which it is.
The idea that in the reverse our general fanbase or media would be acting any different is simply ludicrous.
I wasn’t and I was referring to the cliche of “cheating Aussies” ( even the underarm incident wasn’t actually cheating )
Shithousery ? On the VERY low end compared to other incidents. Bairstow was out of his crease so deserved to get out for such carelessness.
If it was Bairstow getting Carey out who knows what would happen and how people would react. But it wasn’t, so we don’t know.
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@MN5 said in Ashes 2023:
I wasn’t and I was referring to the cliche of “cheating Aussies” ( even the underarm incident wasn’t actually cheating )
Shithousery ? On the VERY low end compared to other incidents. Bairstow was out of his crease so deserved to get out for such carelessness.
Mate, it's shithousery, unequivocally. Doesn't mean it's wrong, or out of the spirit of the sport (whatever that means). But it was a non cricket way of getting somebody out. Crime. Time. I would feel pretty shitty about the Black Caps doing that to somebody, but maybe thats just me.
If it was Bairstow getting Carey out who knows what would happen and how people would react. But it wasn’t, so we don’t know.
Ok that was poorly written by me. I mean in the situation of the Aussies doing the same to the Black Caps. You can deny or say we'll ever know, but that view is for those that believe the earth is flat.
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