Ashes 2023
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Three months after the 2019 World Cup Final that I am never getting over, I sat through five days of the Barmy Army chanting 'Champions, Champions, ole ole ole' on a regular basis at Bay Oval. To the extent that the five year old even started randomly singing it afterwards.
So Ben Stokes can absolutely get in the bin with his post-match comments about ways he wouldn't like to win a game.
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@voodoo said in Ashes 2023:
This was a case of a ball being left, taken cleanly, no attempt at a run.
Yes a stumping.
The replay from behind was the best. The ball left Carey’s hands almost immediately as Bairstow was still grounded but leaning forward. Bairstow never even looked to see if the ball is taken cleanly. No one would complain if it was a spinner
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@Donsteppa said in Ashes 2023:
..and that wasn't the only time Bairstow attempted it in this Test
Which makes him even more 'dozy' to use Atherton's description
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@voodoo said in Ashes 2023:
Brain fart sure. In the rules, yep. Bit shit really though eh?
As a neutral, I can’t say I liked to see it. It’s very very different to someone falling out of their crease after trying to flick one down leg. Hell, even a mankad is arguably fairer given the batsman is trying to take advantage by going early.
This was a case of a ball being left, taken cleanly, no attempt at a run.
Just a bit shit IMO
I agree it is a bit shit from a personal perspective, but that been said it was completely legal and there is history of Baz (doing this attempting for NZ) and Eng team attempting and making dismissals like this in their history. Makes it a bit more amusing..given his stance
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@bayimports also to add to BMac's no beers amusement...
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@Donsteppa said in Ashes 2023:
@bayimports also to add to BMac's no beers amusement...
Context needs to come into it too, Bairstowe is a potentially dangerous batsmen so you do all you can to get him out early.
In the case of Murali you’d really only need to wait a few balls to get him again.
Extra shame on you B Mac.
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@barbarian said in Ashes 2023:
I woke up this morning, saw the headline about Bairstow and thought 'here we go'. Loaded up the clip expecting to see something heinous, unsportsmanlike, sneaky. Healy kicking off the bails type shit.
But what I saw was a batsman having a brain melt and wandering down the wicket without watching the ball. Clearly out.
But it's important to note the golden rule about the 'spirit of cricket'. It ONLY applies when in relation to a line-ball decision that goes against your team. So England are entirely fair to use it, as they have been entirely fair to ignore it on countless past occassions where the decision has gone their way.
They take a 2-0 moral lead and you just can't see Australia getting past them.
Was that with the green n gold eye patch on…. 😉
For me it was in the “that’s a little off” category as opposed to some of the hypa-bowl that has ensued since.
I’m more disappointed with Stokes attempted pull shot. That was not good and he didn’t need to do it.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Ashes 2023:
@barbarian said in Ashes 2023:
I woke up this morning, saw the headline about Bairstow and thought 'here we go'. Loaded up the clip expecting to see something heinous, unsportsmanlike, sneaky. Healy kicking off the bails type shit.
But what I saw was a batsman having a brain melt and wandering down the wicket without watching the ball. Clearly out.
But it's important to note the golden rule about the 'spirit of cricket'. It ONLY applies when in relation to a line-ball decision that goes against your team. So England are entirely fair to use it, as they have been entirely fair to ignore it on countless past occassions where the decision has gone their way.
They take a 2-0 moral lead and you just can't see Australia getting past them.
Was that with the green n gold eye patch on…. 😉
For me it was in the “that’s a little off” category as opposed to some of the hypa-bowl that has ensued since.
I’m more disappointed with Stokes attempted pull shot. That was not good and he didn’t need to do it.
Eye patch is a permanent fixture, obviously.
I think 'that's a bit off' is a fair enough position to take. I disagree but that's OK. It's the holier-than-thou spirit of cricket stuff, the faux outrage, the 'death of civility' garbage that I can't stand.
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I have to admit that I'd probably be hypocritically sulky if it had happened to us....
But when Stuart hits it to first slip and stands his ground Broad starts claiming it's the worst thing he's seen on the field, on top of Ben Stokes becoming an expert on how you should and shouldn't win crunch games at Lords (plus BMac, the Long Room, etc)... I'm struggling to reach my usual 'maybe a warning first?' threshold
As a few have noted elsewhere, some of the "rules are rules" brigade from Day Four quickly became "how very dare!" bandwagoners on Day Five.
Of note to Spirit conversations, the Preamble to the Laws: Spirit of Cricket section on Lords own website states "Accept the umpire’s decision".
If the Umpires had strong concerns (while acknowledging not all would ask)... I am guessing we'd have heard by now whether the on-field Umpires had asked Cummins if the Australians wanted to withdraw their appeal.
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@broughie said in Ashes 2023:
@NTA I think Ponting has it right in the time of possession. First part of link although you probably have already heard his comments.
Amazing that Ponting doesn't know such a simple rule.
We're taught that in first few years learning the game, hence why we roll when we take a catch with wrist cocked off the ground.
Is this a different Australian interpretation thing? As in isn't this the same thing (well, a minor part) that caused the Indian tour blow up in 2008? Someone took a slip catch and scraped it along the ground. The Aussie Rules ('in control') intepretation slipping in to their cricket expectations?
But, in saying that. Kyle Jamieson had one of these ruled out a year or 2 ago, and he and some NZ fans were bemused. To my bemusement. Jamieson at least had the excuse for his (imo brain fade) that it was a caight-and-bowled and the instinct to protect your elbows on the hard wicket block may have over-ruled his instinct to take a proper catch as per the rules. But he seemed bemused, which was a big worry.
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It's the photo they used for Stokes that cracks me up
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@barbarian said in Ashes 2023:
I woke up this morning, saw the headline about Bairstow and thought 'here we go'. Loaded up the clip expecting to see something heinous, unsportsmanlike, sneaky. Healy kicking off the bails type shit.
This came up on my FB feed in response to someone calling Oz "cheats" and going against the spirit of cricket.
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Absolute cracking selection of posts this morning - almost 100% of them entirely predictable:
- Whinging about whinging poms
- Trawls through twitter to find obscure references to things which "prove" hypocrisy
- Link to a betoota article
- References to the great cricket robbery of 2019
This was the only thing I didn't see coming ....
@Virgil said in Ashes 2023:
Can't believe im saying this
but OZ definitely in the right here.
Bairstow, what a fucking muppet. Every age grade kid playing cricket knows STAY IN YOUR FUCKING CREASE!! until the ball is dead/no longer in play.
What the fuck was he thinking? and what the fuck did he think would happen.Who are you and what have you done with @virgil.
Odd to see to many backing the Aussies after an act of sporting shithousery. Puts a bit of fire in the rest of the Ashes though (which I now agree, the Poms may well lose 5-0).
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@MajorRage said in Ashes 2023:
Absolute cracking selection of posts this morning - almost 100% of them entirely predictable:
Nothing new. Exactly the same thing happened in 1882 apparently when WG Grace ran out Australia's Sammy Jones in the same way. Of course we didn't have Twitter or The Fern back then to enlighten and entertain us...
On a more serious note, Cricket has left me cold over the last few years. Have tried to get back into it but tended to switch off after a while. This series though has been good to watch and dip in and out of. Maybe not a classic like '05, but pretty damn good so far.
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