The Current State of Rugby
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@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
@KiwiMurph yeah, and with stadiums and stuff we cant make the fields bigger....so im coming around to the idea of less subs, or you can have a bench of 8 (so as to cover every position)...but can only use 5 or something
you have to do something to tilt the odds back towards athletes rather than muscle and bulk. Speeding the game up, restricting subs, etc - it all does the smae thing.
Rolling on a whole new front row at halftime, and having a new lock is 80% of your tight 5 not playing 80 minutes. It should be 80% of your tight 5 playing for 80 minutes ... then you get some rugby happening, and gaps open up, and the game looks good.
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@nzzp or that you are only allowed to replace 1 front rower (injury excluded, so still need sufficient on the bench) in the game, maybe 1 lock/loosie cover and then maybe 1 back, or go old school and injury subs only.
Sure will mean more utility type players, but, it will mean more players going 80.
As keeps getting mentioned, actual policing of binding rules would help some remove alot of people flying into rucks to clear a player out (that is often just a waste of time and energy, but increasing the risk of an injury and/or card)
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@taniwharugby my only concern with injury based subs is people working the system but just saying they have a niggle, i think i'd almost rather have to make them hold back replacement just in case there is an injury
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@Kiwiwomble guess thats how it used to be, plus there was bloodgate...you will never completely stop that kind of stuff IMO, but needs to be heavy penalties for anyone caught.
Most games now there is usually at least an injury/blood or HIA each game...who knows,but as above, with the game in the NH where the money is, and the power base moving north, I dont expect much to change.
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@Nepia said in The Current State of Rugby:
@nzzp said in The Current State of Rugby:
you have to do something to tilt the odds back towards athletes rather than muscle and bulk.
No chance of this happening, the NH like it this way.
They seem to love all that stodgy shit, or do they just like it because it seems to be a winning formula right now? In contrast I really like the way the NRL have sped the game up. The buzzer that sounds a set reset without blowing the whistle is great
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i have to say, as a former front rower, i dont mind a bit of slogging, i think it can build a bit suspense and and make a flash backline play even more impressive...end to end helter skelter stuff loses my interest...got to have the fast and the slow for me
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@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
i have to say, as a former front rower, i dont mind a bit of slogging, i think it can build a bit suspense and and make a flash backline play even more impressive...end to end helter skelter stuff loses my interest...got to have the fast and the slow for me
Same. Even as a non-former front rower.
I'd rather watch set-piece to set-piece (as long as teams are allowed to legally defend or allowed to legally be inferior scrummagers) - than the unlimited-tackle almost league, that we have now. Obviously, something in the middle would be better ...
My barriers to watching rugby are not stoppages, or speed of the game.
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@Nepia said in The Current State of Rugby:
@nzzp said in The Current State of Rugby:
you have to do something to tilt the odds back towards athletes rather than muscle and bulk.
No chance of this happening, the NH like it this way.
Not in Wales
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@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
i have to say, as a former front rower, i dont mind a bit of slogging, i think it can build a bit suspense and and make a flash backline play even more impressive...end to end helter skelter stuff loses my interest...got to have the fast and the slow for me
I don't like the faked injuries and breaks taken just so a bunch of gym bunnies can catch their breath. Rugby is not a bench press contest. If they can't handle the aerobic demands they should shape up so they can
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@canefan said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
i have to say, as a former front rower, i dont mind a bit of slogging, i think it can build a bit suspense and and make a flash backline play even more impressive...end to end helter skelter stuff loses my interest...got to have the fast and the slow for me
I don't like the faked injuries and breaks taken just so a bunch of gym bunnies can catch their breath. Rugby is not a bench press contest. If they can't handle the aerobic demands they should shape up so they can
Soccer has the answer on that one. If you get attention from a trainer/medic you're either subbed off, or have to wait until the next stoppage to reenter. Exceptions for someone getting attention after being an the receiving end of foul play that resulted in a penalty.
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@canefan said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
i have to say, as a former front rower, i dont mind a bit of slogging, i think it can build a bit suspense and and make a flash backline play even more impressive...end to end helter skelter stuff loses my interest...got to have the fast and the slow for me
I don't like the faked injuries and breaks taken just so a bunch of gym bunnies can catch their breath. Rugby is not a bench press contest. If they can't handle the aerobic demands they should shape up so they can
i get the sentiment and of course i dont want to see fake injuries, but strength is literally part of rugby...its not just cardio... scrumming and mauls are big parts of rugby, literally the two team pushing against each other...i come from the stance of if people actually want to see those things removed from the game...go watch League and leave rugby alone
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@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
@canefan said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
i have to say, as a former front rower, i dont mind a bit of slogging, i think it can build a bit suspense and and make a flash backline play even more impressive...end to end helter skelter stuff loses my interest...got to have the fast and the slow for me
I don't like the faked injuries and breaks taken just so a bunch of gym bunnies can catch their breath. Rugby is not a bench press contest. If they can't handle the aerobic demands they should shape up so they can
i get the sentiment and of course i dont want to see fake injuries, but strength is literally part of rugby...its not just cardio... scrumming and mauls are big parts of rugby, literally the two team pushing against each other...i come from the stance of if people actually want to see those things removed from the game...go watch League and leave rugby alone
Gotta get the balance right. I'm definitely in favour of taking a player who has an apparent injury off the field for treatment and only allowing them on again at the next main stoppage
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Not sure where else to put this, but feel it does give an insight into the state of the game.
Was good listening to Ben.
Rugby: Referee Ben O'Keeffe proud of public response after initial 'unprecedented' Super Rugby Pacific backlash | Newshub
He was the target of death threats after the Super Rugby Pacific final.
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@Kiwiwomble if you want more space on the field you have to make the ruck more competitive.
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@Smuts said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble if you want more space on the field you have to make the ruck more competitive.
Yes. This x1000
Incentivise the defending team to actually join the ruck.
My thoughts are always to be way harder on hands, and heavily penalise attacking teams being off their feet. -
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Smuts said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble if you want more space on the field you have to make the ruck more competitive.
Yes. This x1000
Incentivise the defending team to actually join the ruck.
My thoughts are always to be way harder on hands, and heavily penalise attacking teams being off their feet.We want to be sure we don't go too far the other way though. If it swings too far in favour of defence teams won't want to attack with ball in hand.
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@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Smuts said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble if you want more space on the field you have to make the ruck more competitive.
Yes. This x1000
Incentivise the defending team to actually join the ruck.
My thoughts are always to be way harder on hands, and heavily penalise attacking teams being off their feet.To be fair, that's actually just ref to the laws.
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@Bones this, we see all the time defending teams pinged for not supporting their own weight when going for the ball but the attacking team just pile on top of the tackled player to protect it
