Final: Chiefs v Crusaders
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Ok this thread is now tedious and boring. Will wait for the next match which is probably the RC.
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@Canerbry said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman Thanks for the advice, if I were you I'd accept that bad calls went both ways and whinging about the ref is for poor losers.
The better team won.
I expect deep down you know that’s not true. One (dubious) win out of three says something to that.
I wholly agree that there were swings and roundabouts on most of the calls. I thought BOK was overzealous on Chiefs in first half, but seemed to turn his attention excessively to Jesters in second, maybe after seeing his blooper.
However, in final analysis there were two major calls on non-tries.
The only way Jesters win was by getting lucky on BOTH of those. Any other combo and they are very worthy no. twos.
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@kev said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Something that hasn’t been mentioned was Luke Jacobsens steal off Will Jordon at 21 mins. Pretty clear that Will got his knees to the ground before steal completed. Shortly after at 22 mins the Chiefs get their 1st try.
That’s the way rugby is. Small margins.
I don't think it's that clear cut. The hit semi dislodges the ball. Looks a 50/50.
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@Canerbry said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman Stop blaming the ref and have a look at the number of stupid decisions in the second half by the Chiefs.
So now you’re saying that the Jesters needed poor decisions by Chiefs (which there were several in last 15) AND a glaring officiating decision to win.
We’re in agreement at last!
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@pakman Your attempt to say you are neutral is laughable.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack This is the Fern, nobody's neutral.
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Only just saw the game and far too much to read above but a summary from a true neutral:
ALB with the good, old-fashioned SH yellow. He does that in France and it’ll be goodnight.
Luke Jacobson is a grown man.
D-Mac running the ball straight into Sam for the LF turnover at 66.20. Heinz needed touch as everyone was gassed, instead of stretching left where they would have had a 4 on 3 DMac comes back into traffic. But it’s ok if he’s supported at the breakdown, of course he’s not and look at how slow Finau is to register it. Then Ah Kuoi and Finau both commit to Richie, Tamaiti bounces DMac and they march downfield.
Apart from that weird tackle on Richie when he seemed to let go, Shooter did ok I thought. Looked terrified before the game though. Needs to be thrown in against the Pumas and Boks for a taste.
Sam Cane has a habit of not being on the field in the last 10 mins in crucial games. Make of that what you will.
Hindsight is going to show that giving Razor an extra 4 years at the Saders is going to be the best decision NZR ever made.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman Your attempt to say you are neutral is laughable.
Blues supporter.
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@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
It really does suck to follow an entire tournament and see it after four months deliver a duff outcome.
You really surprise me. It was a great, tense game right up to the end. Both sides had great moments and great tackling, big collisions.
The Crusaders might have made less inventive metres but they also made less mistakes.Oh and (to another subthread/poster) I also thought the Chiefs contained Leicester pretty well. Could be a 7 or 8 but not a 9 for me. I also thought Jordan wasn't the best 15 on the park and that Christie was effective but less so than usual.
I'm not sure that ALB played badly, stupidly at key points or was just unlucky, but he was very lucky not to get red. No care taken.
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@Bovidae said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Stag Where was Whitelock's captaincy when the ABs capitulated against England last year, or lost to Ireland and France a year earlier?
If Robertson wants Papalii as the AB captain we've got problems too.
Who would you have as captain then? Not many options are clear to me but I'd prefer Sam W over Sam C.
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@nostrildamus Reckon Scooter's really matured this season. Seems to have taken learnings on board from previous skippers. Cool head. Stood up when it counted in all the big games too, And remained on the field.
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@Jailbreak7 said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@nostrildamus Reckon Scooter's really matured this season. Seems to have taken learnings on board from previous skippers. Cool head. Stood up when it counted in all the big games too, And remained on the field.
Good point, longterm he could be. I'd like to see him settled in one position (for me it is as a lock who plays a bit like a 6 rather than a 6 who sometimes is also a lock).
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@nostrildamus said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
It really does suck to follow an entire tournament and see it after four months deliver a duff outcome.
You really surprise me. It was a great, tense game right up to the end. Both sides had great moments and great tackling, big collisions.
The Crusaders might have made less inventive metres but they also made less mistakes.Oh and (to another subthread/poster) I also thought the Chiefs contained Leicester pretty well. Could be a 7 or 8 but not a 9 for me. I also thought Jordan wasn't the best 15 on the park and that Christie was effective but less so than usual.
I'm not sure that ALB played badly, stupidly at key points or was just unlucky, but he was very lucky not to get red. No care taken.
The Brumbies semi had the tension, without the result being a travesty.
Perhaps I'm too sentimental in wanting the best team to be crowned champion?!
Chiefs mistakes were mainly after missed forward pass at end of H1, and when finding themselves down 22-20 instead of up 20-13 (at worst). Had Jesters been 13 -20 with 15 to play they'd have had to chance their arm, and the way the Chiefs had played to then it was almost inevitable mistakes would have arisen.
Missed forward pass was sliding doors moment.
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@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Chiefs mistakes were mainly after missed forward pass, and when finding themselves down 22-20 instead of up 20-13 (at worst). Had Jesters been 13 -20 with 15 to play they'd have had to chance their arm, and the way the Chiefs had played to ten it was almost inevitable mistakes would have arisen.
Missed forward pass was sliding doors moment.
I don't disagree much with that. I'd say a major factor though was that Crusaders seemed to play the ref better. That forward pass was damn obvious, yes.
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@KiwiMurph I mentioned it at the time, on another day it is called, Saturday it wasnt.
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I revoke my ref whinge to give the 'saders the congratulations they deserve.
Nothing to do with being more magnanimous or anything, just that two days I don't have that empty feeling of falling out of love with rugby I have after big stupid decisons before. I guess I've just accepted that referee's are a huge part of the game, and you need to adapt. We clearly didn't.
Robertson bodes well for the All Blacks. And that's all I really care about these days.
Unbelievable period of dominance from the Cantab's. Would be something worth celebrating if I didn't have a bunch of white trash relatives down there acting like they just won the fucking lottery and the first thing they did was buy a plane to fly over the rest of NZ telling them how great they are. fluffybunnies.
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It's a shame that that try has been caught up in the forward pass debate, I thought that it was a great example of the positive aspects of mauling. The crusaders manage to draw in so many players and get them out of the way for Jordan to be put in a great spot to make a nice run. If you'd just gone off the top straightaway I don't think that move works as well.
Shades of the victory in 2008 with a fairy tale send off for Deans, Thorne and a couple of other stalwarts.
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@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
All the Crusaders know they have another trophy 7 in a row 14 in total and some people are bitter and twisted,
Just more fuel to win another next yearThey are to be congratulated on this stunning achievement, but it says an awful lot about the competition. None of it flattering.
