Rugby Finances
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@NTA said in Rugby Finances:
Oh sure the clubs are in financial trouble, but look at it this way:
"Now is the right time for more money"
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@NTA said in Rugby Finances:
Oh sure the clubs are in financial trouble, but look at it this way:
Good luck to him, but nowhere on God's Green Earth is Finn Russell worth £1m
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@MiketheSnow said in Rugby Finances:
@NTA said in Rugby Finances:
Oh sure the clubs are in financial trouble, but look at it this way:
Good luck to him, but nowhere on God's Green Earth is Finn Russell worth £1m
Which is the point I guess. These clubs are fucking mental
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@MiketheSnow said in Rugby Finances:
@NTA said in Rugby Finances:
Oh sure the clubs are in financial trouble, but look at it this way:
Good luck to him, but nowhere on God's Green Earth is Finn Russell worth £1m
You’re not fucken wrong.
A couple of mill at the very least.
The guy is Rugby Jesus, you’d better recognise ! It makes absolutely no sense that a guy who is somehow simultaneously too skinny and too chubby to make it as a pro Rugby player is in this position yet here we are ( seriously, the only rig worse than his would be Andy Goode )
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RFU told London Irish can pay staff with potential US takeover moving closer
London Irish have debts of more than £30m amid growing concerns over the club’s finances in a season that has already seen Wasps and Worcester fold
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@Dan54 said in Rugby Finances:
Boy I get no joy out of seeing these clubs struggling, for whatever reason. London Irish going would be a shame.
They are being wound up by HMRC because of unpaid tax.
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Entirely fair
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Another article on the PRL finances. Nothing new here ,except the table which includes an equity column. Which are the authors own figures.
Interesting to see the position of the clubs, by these metrics, that have fallen over - compared to the others.
Wasps collapsed because of the bond/lending markets freezing. Not because they had no equity. Although they were only a a few years from being in that position. Worcester were by no means in the worst position but had dodgy and uncommitted ownership.
Newcastle won't be around long, their owner isn't rich enough. As opposed to Bath, Bristol, Saracens for whom reality doesn't matter until they have no teams to play against.
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Professional men’s rugby has major financial issues which need to be tackled
London Irish is just the latest big loser in top level rugby.
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@Nepia said in Rugby Finances:
TBH, English club rugby has lasted longer than I thought it would before imploding. When they first switched to professionalism I thought they'd go belly up in a few years.
Yes, it seems its been coming since the millenium. But a lot of thing in economics have defied norms for most of this millenium, so far.
I remember back in the very first year or so of professionalism. And rugby was still un-physical enough to allow mid-week matches. And was seeing some news clips of the first European cup, midweek floodlt matches, Martin Offiah etc on a temporary contract from league, playing for Quins IIRC. The future seemed their oyster then.
TO be fair to English clubs. Them (and the Scottish) started from the furtherest back at the dawn fo professionalism. Famous clubs like Wasps, Saracens, Irish, Scottish, Richmond, Rosslyn Park etc were litterally playing on suburban fields with only a clubhouse. Only Leicester and maybe Gloucester had any infrastructure to talk about.
Un-famous at the time, but big since, clubs like Worcester, Exeter, Newcastle have also started back in 1996 as suburban fields. To their credit they have built admirable infrastructure.
Just a shame they started day dot in player-salary la-la-land, and never fixed it. I remember Canterbury reserve (not Crusaders reserve, NPC reserve) Jamie Connolly (IIRC his name ...) moving from Canterbury to Harlequins in year 1 of professionalism for the same salaries that NZ Super 12 players were getting. E.g. NZ players 3 levels above his abilities. Famous 'Quins with their amateur connections to 'the city' playing triple the going rate from day dot, they were just a bit dumb.
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Premiership Rugby clubs post losses of almost £25m for 2022-23 season
Saracens posted biggest losses of over £5 million, while Newcastle Falcons have not yet made their finances for 2022-23 period public
Premiership Rugby clubs post losses of almost £25m for 2022-23 season
Saracens posted biggest losses of over £5 million, while Newcastle Falcons have not yet made their finances for 2022-23 period publicBen Coles,
RUGBY REPORTER
29 March 2024 • 1:17pm55
Nine of 10 Gallagher Premiership clubs have posted financial losses which total almost £25 million for the 2022-23 season.
Newcastle Falcons have yet to publicly post their results for the last financial year but of the data available, nine clubs cumulatively made a loss of around £23.5 million.
Saracens posted the biggest loss at £5,295,310, with the club’s turnover of £23,206,354 falling well short of their £28,559,147 budget.
Bristol Bears, backed by the billionaire Steve Lansdown, finished with a total loss of £4,554,814. Harlequins posted the highest turnover, £26,813,85, but had the largest budget at £30,392,791, resulting in a loss of £3,648.893.
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Gloucester produced the best results due to having a budget of £18,291,675, which was marginally higher than the club’s turnover of £18,162,660, making an eventual loss of £393,079. Two other clubs produced losses which were below the half a million figure, with Sale making a £439,294 loss and Northampton a £467,836 loss.
Sale notably had the lowest turnover, £11,735,339, but also the lowest budget of £16,496,292. They were also one of only two clubs, along with fellow Premiership finalists Saracens, to produce a positive net financing costs figure of £258,953.
The results also disclose the number of people employed by each club, with Exeter recording the highest figure of 354 of which 156 were coaches and players. Bristol employed the fewest number of people (155) and number of players and staff (87).
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Exeter’s financial results, with a loss of £3,994,469, included the hotel built on site at Sandy Park, which made a loss of £2m over the course of the financial year. The hotel has since been sold off, with Exeter’s chairman and chief executive, Tony Rowe, buying an undisclosed stake in the Sandy Park Hotel back in December 2022 to help pay off the club’s Covid-19 loans.
Exeter said at the time: “The fee paid for the shares by Mr Rowe not only provides an injection of capital to keep cashflow going, but will also help service substantial debts accrued by Exeter Rugby Club due to the impact of the Covid pandemic in 2020. Directors will use “their best endeavours” to retain “at least” 26 per cent shareholding in the hotel company.”
Premiership Rugby has been contacted for comment.
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Analysis: Rugby still feeling Covid after effects
Perhaps the main factor to consider when analysing the latest accounts for the nine Premiership clubs, with Newcastle still to come, is that teams across the league are still feeling the financial effects of the pandemic, hit hard by that loss of matchday revenue.Seeing that amount of red on a spreadsheet naturally leads to concern but among the numbers there are some positives, such as Northampton posting a record turnover of nearly £22 million, up by a million on the previous year. Even a club in as strong a position as Northampton is still going to be confronted with costs, with their cash balance dropping due to the construction of the club’s new High Performance Centre.
The Premiership is still reeling from the loss of Worcester Warriors, Wasps and London Irish during the previous season and, predominantly, clubs appear to be cautious. Take Sale’s budget, around £16.5 million, being almost half of that of Harlequins (£30.4 million).
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The same long-term concerns remain. Certain clubs relying on the large investment of owners with deep pockets, a TV deal which lags far behind the money paid for the rights to the Top 14 in France, the fact that clubs with excellent attendance figures and large capacities – Leicester, Northampton, Gloucester – are occasionally falling short of making a profit. Not forgetting that the salary cap ceiling is set to rise next season from £5 million to £6.4 million – the timing of which seems highly questionable – or how the Covid-19 loans from the government will be repaid.
These are all existing issues which require long-term solutions but right now, the aim across the Premiership appears to be to create stability.
At the same time, sources close to the league are optimistic about an increase in supporter numbers this season at matches, with gate numbers continuing to climb and up by around five per cent on the previous season. The more people back in grounds, the more revenue. Right now, every extra pound feels important.
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With the SRU having recorded an annual loss of £10.5 million in its most recent accounts, McGuigan acknowledged that an even bigger deficit is likely next time, but believes the organisation can be back in the black by 2026.
He insists it is credible to envisage increasing annual turnover from below £70 million to over £100 million in this period, but did express bemusement at how quickly the union has frittered away two vast chunks of investment from CVC, the private equity firm, as well as a £15 million grant from the Scottish Government during Covid times.
“There are things you can point to. The women’s game is pretty expensive, you’ve got a significant investment in the pro teams. If other people are on £5 million and ours are on £8 million, that’s significant. There has been an uplift in player salaries, so you can start to understand where some of the money has gone.
“That’s OK as long as you’ve got a line of sight towards a future revenue stream that gives you extra confidence about the extra money you’re deploying into things which are effectively day-to-day running costs — not strategic investments. Confidence that you’ve found a revenue stream that allows that to continue for the long term.
“That’s the piece that’s missing in the jigsaw puzzle. How do we get to a place where the revenue stream offsets the fact we will no longer have these opportunities through CVC and government grants? That’s the piece we’ve got to fix, that’s the piece that’s very urgent and why we are sitting with losses every year.
“We’ve been running a business hot in terms of costs, with an underlying revenue stream that doesn’t support that level of costs.”
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Genius administrators spending more on elements that don't pay for themselves, and continuing to offer increases without acknowledgment of the cost pressures extant. And these are supposed to be educated professionals.
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The said the quiet part out loud in that the woman's game is expensive.
The woman's game is great for player numbers and getting new people into the game, but terrible from a revenue perspective.
So you have existing teams with bloated salaries already loosing money and invest heavily in another area of the game that will lose you even more money. The first one itself will get you into enough trouble as it is.
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CVC deal has sucked the life out of the Gallagher Premiership
Five years on from being promised an uplift in fortunes, England falls behind France, Japan and Ireland as a destination for international superstars . . . and TV money
The numbers look like this: before CVC, the clubs were getting £40 million in TV money per season; soon they will be on £33 million and giving 27 per cent away. So the pot is only just over half what it was seven years ago.
That's a 40% reduction in revenue.
