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Saddening and maddening
If they can find a thousand classifications for paralympic sport surely to god they can get two for women's sport
Real and pretend
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@MiketheSnow I used to think this, but I think they’ve got it all wrong.
Men’s sport needs to ensure it’s welcoming for men dressed up as woman. If the argument is transitioning takes away some of your men advantages, well whose problem is that?
The whole worlds? Or yours?
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@Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
So it’s no longer just elite sport. This could suck the life out of women’s sport at all levels and more worryingly age groups.
You have women's sport or you don't.
Simple.
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@MajorRage said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@MiketheSnow I used to think this, but I think they’ve got it all wrong.
Men’s sport needs to ensure it’s welcoming for men dressed up as woman. If the argument is transitioning takes away some of your men advantages, well whose problem is that?
The whole worlds? Or yours?
Unfortunately identifying as a woman gives that person the 'right' to choose where they compete
Doubly unfortunately they are choosing to compete as women
This is a governing body issue plain and simple
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@antipodean said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@Bones I wonder if some men are doing this deliberately in order to have this travesty addressed once and for all
That powerlifter certainly was
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@MajorRage said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@MiketheSnow I used to think this, but I think they’ve got it all wrong.
Men’s sport needs to ensure it’s welcoming for men dressed up as woman. If the argument is transitioning takes away some of your men advantages, well whose problem is that?
The whole worlds? Or yours?
You’ve not been to a Highland Games then?
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Trans cyclist Emily Bridges seems really wound up by this. I'm tempted to say it's probably the testosterone - but won't.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Trans cyclist Emily Bridges seems really wound up by this. I'm tempted to say it's probably the testosterone - but won't.
"I don't even know if I want to race my bike any more"
No shit, because you won't win
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@voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Could be the wrong thread, apologies if so.
Actually, apologies even if not, just for making you watch this.
WT actual F
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@MiketheSnow just race the men FFS.
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I just did some googling and she's trying to talk out a Bill which would outlaw life-changing and irreversible surgery, puberty-blocking drugs and hormone therapy for under-18's - i.e children. You can do what you like after that age.
She regards protecting kids in this way as hatred apparently
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So close but ...
Female races will be "for those whose sex was assigned female at birth".
And
Transgender women will be able to participate in non-competitive recreational and community cycling without restriction.
British Cycling said its women-only community programme "will continue to remain open and inclusive for transgender women and non-binary people" who can "continue to participate in a broad range of British Cycling activities in line with their gender identities".
Firstly, your sex is determined at conception.
Secondly they're continuing to be unfair to non-elite women.
But it's a start.
All this crap about there being no research is rubbish. There's plenty of evidence of male athletic advantage, and confirming what we already know inherently. I think it's more "There's no research giving the results we want".
And the proposed study on Emily theyself is designed with the specific outcomes in mind that will be manipulated.
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Family member is an elite Ultra-marathon runner. Tells me that at ultra distances the gap between male and female is pretty non-existent. Also tells me there's minimal pressure from activists to allow male trans athletes to compete in the women's races... Can't think why.
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@booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
So close but ...
Female races will be "for those whose sex was assigned female at birth".
And
Transgender women will be able to participate in non-competitive recreational and community cycling without restriction.
British Cycling said its women-only community programme "will continue to remain open and inclusive for transgender women and non-binary people" who can "continue to participate in a broad range of British Cycling activities in line with their gender identities".
Firstly, your sex is determined at conception.
Secondly they're continuing to be unfair to non-elite women.
But it's a start.
All this crap about there being no research is rubbish. There's plenty of evidence of male athletic advantage, and confirming what we already know inherently. I think it's more "There's no research giving the results we want".
And the proposed study on Emily theyself is designed with the specific outcomes in mind that will be manipulated.
Exactly
An n of 1 is all about ME ME ME
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@MiketheSnow said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Could be the wrong thread, apologies if so.
Actually, apologies even if not, just for making you watch this.
WT actual F
You need a fern red card for sharing this @voodoo. Jesus Christ.
Transgender debate, in sport, in general