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@NTA said in internet/streaming:
Interesting thing: my RSP offers 5 "speed boost" days per month which takes my 100/40 up to the next tier of 250/25...
No idea why it needs to shape the upload but I guess that is something to do with the way in which backhaul is balanced.
Probably just pricing structures. We were the same here with wholesale brackets to ISPs being set by the network provider. They eventually decided that, at wholesale, it created cost to run different pricing bands for billing and switching and just changed the bracket to a higher dominator. Best thing was that the wholesaler/network company told the public and that forced the hands of the ISPs to provide the customer with the best product
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@NTA said in internet/streaming:
@Crucial would be nice if I could build my own e.g. 250 down is a base price of $x.xx and comes with 25 up. If you want to increase upload, that's another $10 a month to get to 40 etc.
That's a lot of cost to the ISP and Wholesaler to manage. Hopefully things over there will go as ours did and the bigger plans become the norm.
Our base wholesale plan was originally only 40 I think. There was no demand for that when you could get 100 for the same price but was a legacy of the original deal with the Govt for financial underwriting. They wanted to ensure an affordable product.
Probably one of the few examples of 'the market' doing a good job. Base of 40 became base of 100 at the same price which became a base of 300 as higher Gig + plans came on board.
Wholesalers don't want a complicated array of plans because of the added provisioning and billing costs. ISPs will pass those costs on but have realised that it is easier to flick an on/off switch than put provisioning/billing/customer support around having a variety of products.
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@NTA said in internet/streaming:
Makes sense.
Anyway I've just used this new speed tier to download and install Morrowind, oblivion, and Skyrim in under 25 minutes. ~32Gig of elder scrolls games inside half an hour. Nice.
It's funny when you out it in these terms. I don't download much so don't measure like that. Work stuff is cloud and entertainment is streaming. Fuck knows how anyone finds the time to play a game. I struggle to keep up with a TV series as I fall asleep.
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@NTA said in internet/streaming:
Interesting thing: my RSP offers 5 "speed boost" days per month which takes my 100/40 up to the next tier of 250/25...
No idea why it needs to shape the upload but I guess that is something to do with the way in which backhaul is balanced.Backhaul on NBN side is underutilised, considerably so.
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@Crucial said in internet/streaming:
That's a lot of cost to the ISP and Wholesaler to manage. Hopefully things over there will go as ours did and the bigger plans become the norm.
That's unlikely in the medium term. The demand appears to be quite price elastic when one looks at the market proportion of plans. And they're not going to be further discounted when the NBN has a set margin it must apply to the cost of provision. That would take a considerable change in policy from the government of the day.
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@antipodean said in internet/streaming:
@Crucial said in internet/streaming:
That's a lot of cost to the ISP and Wholesaler to manage. Hopefully things over there will go as ours did and the bigger plans become the norm.
That's unlikely in the medium term. The demand appears to be quite price elastic when one looks at the market proportion of plans. And they're not going to be further discounted when the NBN has a set margin it must apply to the cost of provision. That would take a considerable change in policy from the government of the day.
Here it wasn't a discount of price it was receiving more for the same. If it costs as much to provide 300 as it does 100 then why not provide the 300 unless you have lots of people willing to pay more for that level? If those that want more are willing to pay for gig plans and leave a demand gap for the mid range then you may as well lift the baseline.
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@Crucial said in internet/streaming:
@antipodean said in internet/streaming:
@Crucial said in internet/streaming:
That's a lot of cost to the ISP and Wholesaler to manage. Hopefully things over there will go as ours did and the bigger plans become the norm.
That's unlikely in the medium term. The demand appears to be quite price elastic when one looks at the market proportion of plans. And they're not going to be further discounted when the NBN has a set margin it must apply to the cost of provision. That would take a considerable change in policy from the government of the day.
Here it wasn't a discount of price it was receiving more for the same. If it costs as much to provide 300 as it does 100
It doesn't.
If those that want more are willing to pay for gig plans and leave a demand gap for the mid range then you may as well lift the baseline.
The demand isn't there. Outside of the tiny percentage of geeks, the market is currently quite content with the lower tier, which services their needs. And that's not where the margins are for the NBN to recoup its considerable costs.
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@antipodean I understand that isn't the current situation in Oz, just saying that NZ was similar but over a reasonably short period (much faster than predicted), these things all happened.
I think my basic fibre plan went from 60 to 100 to 300 speed wise over a couple of years. The lead in for that first unpaid upgrade was probably 4-5 years as the market established itself (rollout and uptake) -
@Crucial said in internet/streaming:
@antipodean I understand that isn't the current situation in Oz, just saying that NZ was similar but over a reasonably short period (much faster than predicted), these things all happened.
I think my basic fibre plan went from 60 to 100 to 300 speed wise over a couple of years. The lead in for that first unpaid upgrade was probably 4-5 years as the market established itself (rollout and uptake)New Zealand did the opposite of Australia's rollout in every conceivable way, hence why you're getting a vastly better product. Any sensible change here is paralysed by the brilliance of the elected officials who thought they knew best how to create a modern network.
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Updated my speed to 500/50.
Another company offer 1000/50 for the same price, which is probably the limit of the hardware I have... the hassle is reconfiguring everything and getting the VOIP transferred.
I'll sit on this for a while and see. Really this is just vanity speed (for this part of the world) as I could live with 100/40
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@NTA said in internet/streaming:
Updated my speed to 500/50.
Another company offer 1000/50 for the same price, which is probably the limit of the hardware I have... the hassle is reconfiguring everything and getting the VOIP transferred.
I'll sit on this for a while and see. Really this is just vanity speed (for this part of the world) as I could live with 100/40
You've gone from having the worst internet of the Oz based posters to the best.
I feel like I'm in the dark ages with my 100/40.
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@NTA said in internet/streaming:
@Nepia to be honest, it's mostly vanity
I thought so too, until I had to download some large files for work. 500MB just appears; interacting with high data models it really makes a difference. Still a 'nice to have' but it's well down from 'vanity'
