All Blacks 2023
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Crikey - you guys think Fozzie is going to change his first-five with five games left to the World Cup?
The Richie (without a T)/Beaudy question got answered comprehensively last year - and the subtext of that question was "Who will start at the Rugby World Cup?".
I need to be careful not to post drunk or I'll end up in a hat eating bet!
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life Canes defence is closest to the likes of Jerry or Kaino, but he doesnt seem suited to how we want our 6 to play...
He put a huge hit on a front rower in the weekend who in most cases would have scored, but no, Cane came from nowhere and stopped him dead.
Great tackler, sure.
But does he still have the speed at international level to get around the park effectively?Yep, he as quick as any of the loosies.
last year he was timed as taking much more time at ABs between rucks than Dalton P. good if he has regained speed since then..
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
Crikey - you guys think Fozzie is going to change his first-five with five games left to the World Cup?
The Richie (without a T)/Beaudy question got answered comprehensively last year - and the subtext of that question was "Who will start at the Rugby World Cup?".
I need to be careful not to post drunk or I'll end up in a hat eating bet!
yeah but DMac has improved at 10 and he plays for the Chiefs!
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On pure current form criteria, then Blackadder (who is out with injury) and Scott Barrett (who plays at lock) should not be considered for the 6 jersey. The form blindside flanker is Finau, IMO : consistantly big workrate, abrasive in defense and making the hard yards ball in hand.
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@Chris-B the one season wonder brigade all coming out of the woodwork , last year there people posting wanting Kurt Eklund and even AJ Lam to wear an All Black jersey .🤦🏻♂️
Just because a team is having an oustanding season does’nt mean everyone in the squad should be getting a look in.
For me Shaun Stephenson has always had the skillset to play international rugby but has added constincency to his game.
The injury to Sevu Reece has defintely opened a door for other contenders ,not totally sold on Narawa only because i dont see a full alround gameD Mac without question is the form 10 , seems to have the best game management
Been impressed with Roigard , because he brings a running game thats not to afraid to take on forwards around the ruck
Its a real shame we still dont have the African teams in the comp , it forced NZ teams to roll their sleeves up physically especially for the vigors international rugby. -
@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris-B the one season wonder brigade all coming out of the woodwork , last year there people posting wanting Kurt Eklund and even AJ Lam to wear an All Black jersey .🤦🏻♂️
Just because a team is having an oustanding season does’nt mean everyone in the squad should be getting a look in.
For me Shaun Stephenson has always had the skillset to play international rugby but has added constincency to his game.
The injury to Sevu Reece has defintely opened a door for other contenders ,not totally sold on Narawa only because i dont see a full alround gameD Mac without question is the form 10 , seems to have the best game management
Been impressed with Roigard , because he brings a running game thats not to afraid to take on forwards around the ruck
Its a real shame we still dont have the African teams in the comp , it forced NZ teams to roll their sleeves up physically especially for the vigors international rugby.Hang on, you just complained about players getting AB heat from a good season with the Blues, then do exactly the same with this year’s form team?
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@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2023:
D Mac without question is the form 10 , seems to have the best game management
That aged well.
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@Kirwan As i said Stephenson has always had a skill set that would grace international rugby without finding consistency required
regarding Roigard i said i was impressed with aspects of his play ,at no stage did i say he should be in the ABs which differs to some of the calls i was hearing
The are contenders at this stage -
@nostrildamus By who out of interest?
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@Steven-Harris I'll be pretty amazed if Mo'unga isn't locked in at first five. Simply in terms of man-management it would be a bit stupid to send signals to him that we don't really trust you this late in the day, while waiting to see how DMac's game transitions from Super rugby. Aside from which I'm way more upbeat about Richie's game than most on the Fern - I'm pretty much with Tim Horan, who recently rated him one of the top three players in the world.
Definitely a place opened up in the outside backs with Sevu's injury. It will be very interesting to see how Fozzie shapes his backs, with half a dozen guys - Beaudy, DMac, Jordie, Will, Havili, Stevenson - all possibilities to play fullback.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
I'm pretty much with Tim Horan, who recently rated him one of the top three players in the world.
Tim Horan said very similar words about Beauden Barrett earlier this year.
Just because you are a great player doesn't make you a great pundit.
See Kirwan, John.
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@KiwiMurph I wasn't really that great a player.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph I wasn't really that great a player.
Yeah but Horan was no Ma’a Nonu either
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus By who out of interest?
The Dalton - Sam Cane stats? It was on here somewhere but I'll try to find it.
After round 5 this year (March 29) their stats looked similar but I did not see time between rucks etc.Cane has made 21 carries for 107 metres, made 21 passes and two offloads and conceded no turnovers, while Papalii has carried 22 times for 169 metres, sent 18 passes and three offloads, and conceded two turnovers. Papalii has made 58 tackles – five dominant – for three misses, winning four turnovers, while Cane has made 42 – five dominant – for no misses, and has snaffled three turnovers. -
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus By who out of interest?
Not the original article but stats seem the same here, of course it was late last year, not sure if they are recorded in 2023 for Super:
https://www.theroar.com.au/2022/11/12/coachs-corner-three-areas-where-papalii-is-clear-upgrade-on-cane-and-clearing-up-the-campbell-confusion/Where Cane carried for an average of just over four metres per attempt, Papali’i averaged seven metres per carry. Cane’s 86% tackle completion rate compared to 100% by Papali’i. The Blues’ open-side made a tackle every five minutes, compared to Cane’s interval of over six and a half minutes. Ruck attendance intervals also panned out in favour of the youngster – one every 2.2 minutes versus one every 2.7 for Slammin’ Sam. Another injury to the New Zealand captain has allowed Papali’i to state his case in no uncertain terms, starting with the match against Wales in Cardiff. Papali’i had five carries 34 metres with four breaks or busts (2nd for metres gained by a forward, behind Ardie Savea), he completed 14 of 15 tackles (2nd behind Sam Whitelock), and he enjoyed a massive 77 ruck attendances (1st on the team), balanced 50/50 between attack and defence. He even threw in a breakdown pilfer and two lineout takes for good measure. -
I doubt many would disagree that thus far, neither are playing like they were last year. Sam is playing better than last year, Dalton isn't.
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@nostrildamus Yep mate, but doesn't change anything, what we were talking about, I said Cane was fast as the other loosies, that doesn't actually say he was timed or anything, only number of ruck attendance times etc were from different games, and don't say how many rucks were had in the games etc. I not arguing with your opinion, but that's why stats are not a real indication of anything especially when they taken from different games etc.
Your comment wasn't quite right, they weren't timed between rucks , you can only do that when they playing in same game surely.
Your post actually said;
'last year he was timed as taking much more time at ABs between rucks than Dalton P. good if he has regained speed since then'Where does it talk about speed between rucks? Doesn't say how often there were rucks in the games.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus Yep mate, but doesn't change anything, what we were talking about, I said Cane was fast as the other loosies, that doesn't actually say he was timed or anything, only number of ruck attendance times etc were from different games, and don't say how many rucks were had in the games etc. I not arguing with your opinion, but that's why stats are not a real indication of anything especially when they taken from different games etc.
Your comment wasn't quite right, they weren't timed between rucks , you can only do that when they playing in same game surely.
Your post actually said;
'last year he was timed as taking much more time at ABs between rucks than Dalton P. good if he has regained speed since then'Where does it talk about speed between rucks? Doesn't say how often there were rucks in the games.
But anyway, I think maybe we might be meaning different things.ruck attendance mentioned in above, and was for last year and for a different competition....it sounds like Cane is fitter and healthier this year...I'm not saying one is currently better to the other as I haven't watched enough games, I'm just asking!
