Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!
-
-
@nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:
I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes
Frankly, I haven't been that impressed with him against better opposition. In Hamilton vs Argentina he looked disinterested at times. Superb winger, but not sure I'd be starting him against top opposition.
Bigging up stats is like the All Blacks celebrating the most points in a calendar year, despite multiple losses to good opposition.
STill, Foster's going to Foster right
-
@nzzp said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:
@nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:
I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes
Frankly, I haven't been that impressed with him against better opposition. In Hamilton vs Argentina he looked disinterested at times. Superb winger, but not sure I'd be starting him against top opposition.
Bigging up stats is like the All Blacks celebrating the most points in a calendar year, despite multiple losses to good opposition.
STill, Foster's going to Foster right
Jordan? I'd start him on the right wing if fit, Telea can keep him and Clarke honest, and whoever drops of form can watch him play instead. Telea makes similar mistakes to Jordan (why I don't want WJ as fullback).
-
@nzzp said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:
@nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:
I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes
Frankly, I haven't been that impressed with him against better opposition. In Hamilton vs Argentina he looked disinterested at times. Superb winger, but not sure I'd be starting him against top opposition.
Bigging up stats is like the All Blacks celebrating the most points in a calendar year, despite multiple losses to good opposition.
STill, Foster's going to Foster right
That seems a more pertinent criticism but honestly, he's more of a game breaker than the others ...but I did enjoy the convoluted let us change the criteria as we go to make Rieko Ioane look better even though for the sake of fairness one should only count wingers playing wing...
I like Rieko. Good strike winger. But no longer playing there. So he can't surpass Jordan.
Back to Jordan looking disinterested, doesn't look for work like Reece, granted, but not playing in his preferred position and he apparently has had inner issues off and on since at least 2018.
At fullback there are other questions, but I'd still like to see him there.
Just as I wanted Ben Smith at 15 far more often than the AB coaches did. -
-
@Kirwan said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:
@SBW1 You know who he reminds me of? Doug Howlett.
from Wish
-
@nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:
@nzzp said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:
@nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:
I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes
Frankly, I haven't been that impressed with him against better opposition. In Hamilton vs Argentina he looked disinterested at times. Superb winger, but not sure I'd be starting him against top opposition.
Bigging up stats is like the All Blacks celebrating the most points in a calendar year, despite multiple losses to good opposition.
STill, Foster's going to Foster right
That seems a more pertinent criticism but honestly, he's more of a game breaker than the others ...but I did enjoy the convoluted let us change the criteria as we go to make Rieko Ioane look better even though for the sake of fairness one should only count wingers playing wing...
I like Rieko. Good strike winger. But no longer playing there. So he can't surpass Jordan.
Back to Jordan looking disinterested, doesn't look for work like Reece, granted, but not playing in his preferred position and he apparently has had inner issues off and on since at least 2018.
At fullback there are other questions, but I'd still like to see him there.
Just as I wanted Ben Smith at 15 far more often than the AB coaches did.What? You are the one who changed the criteria, I was following your lead. I said he was at best on par with others in the backline and you responded with the points scored (with just one player I mentioned), then asked for numbers.
Complaining about then getting numbers is a bit dickish.
And my god, how many years does he have to play centre before people accept that's his position? Getting weird now.
-
@Kirwan said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:
@nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:
@nzzp said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:
@nostrildamus said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:
I'd rather compare his matchwinning ability versus mistakes
Frankly, I haven't been that impressed with him against better opposition. In Hamilton vs Argentina he looked disinterested at times. Superb winger, but not sure I'd be starting him against top opposition.
Bigging up stats is like the All Blacks celebrating the most points in a calendar year, despite multiple losses to good opposition.
STill, Foster's going to Foster right
That seems a more pertinent criticism but honestly, he's more of a game breaker than the others ...but I did enjoy the convoluted let us change the criteria as we go to make Rieko Ioane look better even though for the sake of fairness one should only count wingers playing wing...
I like Rieko. Good strike winger. But no longer playing there. So he can't surpass Jordan.
Back to Jordan looking disinterested, doesn't look for work like Reece, granted, but not playing in his preferred position and he apparently has had inner issues off and on since at least 2018.
At fullback there are other questions, but I'd still like to see him there.
Just as I wanted Ben Smith at 15 far more often than the AB coaches did.What? You are the one who changed the criteria, I was following your lead. I said he was at best on par with others in the backline and you responded with the points scored (with just one player I mentioned), then asked for numbers.
Complaining about then getting numbers is a bit dickish.
Any my god, how many years does he have to play centre before people accept that's his position? Getting weird now.
You decided who counts as opposition and which games to consider and that Scotland (who nearly beat the ABs) was part of the Tier 2 teams. Who can still threaten to beat the ABs by the way:
filtered out tier2 and Scotland, because five trys against Tonga means absolutely nothing.And
And top was Rieko with 29 from 50 (top because a lot tests and more trys, even though the ratio is the same).Rieko played a lot more, sure, for AB coaches who weren't Foster.
-
every time i think we have created the dumbest thread ever
we find a new low
Will jordan is pretty fucking good
yeah, well you don't think he's good enough
what?
Reiko something!
Foster derp!jesus shit for all the talk about how much people love Super Rugby this year we do spend a lot more time talking about dumb dumb AB shit.
-
@nostrildamus yes, I figured that five trys against Tonga inflated things for Jordan in a meaningless way. There weren't many trys in the Scotland column for any of the players, not a huge deal - feel free to add them back.
If we are considering a player being a gamebreaker, surely games against the top tiers are all that matters?
Not sure what Foster has to do with anything. Reiko has maintained his try scoring rate against the top teams for a good amount of tests. More trys, more games, same ratio as Jordan. Nothing controversial there I would have thought.
-
@mariner4life said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:
every time i think we have created the dumbest thread ever
we find a new low
Will jordan is pretty fucking good
yeah, well you don't think he's good enough
what?
Reiko something!
Foster derp!jesus shit for all the talk about how much people love Super Rugby this year we do spend a lot more time talking about dumb dumb AB shit.
It has gotton weird. Throughout I'm saying he's good, I'd select him at 14, he scores excellent trys. Just don't agree he's significantly better than the other AB backs, and the try socring stats pretty much show that.
I think I've even said he was "on par with". Removing my weighting for RI and he's exactly on par with him!
-
@Kirwan said in Will Jordan Unsurpassed Gamebreaker!:
Throughout I'm saying he's good, I'd select him at 14
I'd take Reece over him at 14 personally. Now that Sevu is injured. I don't know who the 14 is. Probably WJ, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was anonymous in big games.
Clarke is a bit of a head scratcher; they're going to pick him, he's got huge upside, but seems to struggle to play to his potential.
-
the main ability i think he brings that we're lacking is timing, i know we talk about his ability to get a favourable bounce etc but he is very good as spotting where he will be needed and being on a players shoulder at full pace at the perfect time, i dont mean standing in the line waiting for someone to receive it, i mean coming from a long way back and seeing who will be receiving it in 2-3 passes time, thats an ability we could use to turn slow ball into front foot ball
