All Blacks 2023
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
Will Jordan has 21 tries in 21 games for NZ aged 25.
He missed the end of last year but at that scoring rate he was/is easily going to break Howletts record.
I suspect he is already pencilled in to the RWC squad and he has been treated with kid gloves by the Crusaders under instructions from the higher ups at HQ.
Maybe Jordan could move (finally) to 15?
That's the dream bro......We won't win it with Beauden Barrett doing cross kicks in his own 22.
Teams need to be afraid to kick it to us like the days of yore.
At the moment when they kick to us a territorial game of kick tennis ensues.
With Jordan there they might think "this mad kunt is gonna run it back from there with interest"
Look at the try against Wales or USA.
Having their fatties back tracking as a result of his line breaks will win us penalties too.
The boy is a scalpel.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Isn't that the thing against Jordan at a RWC though? The 'cheat code' opportunities in the big games are few and far.
What you do see more off at the highest levels is wingers dotting down acrobatically in the corner or having the strength to prevent being knocked into touch.
Do you have a safety fullback and a roaming wing? That suits him but stifles BB. If BB is free to chime in then WJ becomes a safety/second fullback but are there better options in that role (eg Stevenson who has a mix of step, power, corner scoring, boot and safety)
Jordan has freakish qualities for sure. I'm not convinced that we should be banking on those opportunities happening though.
I'm usually a risk taker and happy to see players chance their hand if they have skills knowing that it won't always produce but you do need to have them fit in to a balanced team to start.
BB is the one at risk in my team. He might be able to regain form but I still can't fit him into a well balanced side.BB is one of my favourite players of all time. It kills me to dig him out.
But we seen this movie in 2019 and it didn't have a good ending.
The dual playmakers. The vanilla ALB Goodhue midfield. The unbalanced backrow.
Allblack fullbacks need to be scoring tries.
Beaudy is gun shy.
He is playing tag rugby out there these days and kicking an inordinate amount of good pill away.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
Look at the try against Wales or USA.
No one is worried about them
It's an example of how he occupies the mind of the opposition D.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Isn't that the thing against Jordan at a RWC though? The 'cheat code' opportunities in the big games are few and far.
At RWC with a player like Jordan, you only need a slight opportunity though. Jordan does seem to have defensive concerns but overall I prefer Stevenson and Jordan over BB now. I'm not sure that defensively BB has much if any advantage over them and in terms of evasiveness and kicking they are ahead.
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@Steve yep not saying that's not absolutely correct, all I suggesting is Narawa is at this stage has been probably the best of that type of winger around, and will be happy to see Jordan come back in form etc. I was only using it as a what we can see hear and now scenario.
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
- Smith
- DMAC
- Rieko
- Jordie
- Aumua
- Stevenson/Narawa
- Jordan
Imagine we had 10 or 15 tests left to get that to gel.
It is really only 12-13 combination that needs much time to gel though, I'm sure at 14 either will fit in and make impact quickly. In saying that, has DMac played at 10 with Smith at 9? Probably off the bench?
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Isn't that the thing against Jordan at a RWC though? The 'cheat code' opportunities in the big games are few and far.
What you do see more off at the highest levels is wingers dotting down acrobatically in the corner or having the strength to prevent being knocked into touch.
Do you have a safety fullback and a roaming wing? That suits him but stifles BB. If BB is free to chime in then WJ becomes a safety/second fullback but are there better options in that role (eg Stevenson who has a mix of step, power, corner scoring, boot and safety)
Jordan has freakish qualities for sure. I'm not convinced that we should be banking on those opportunities happening though.
I'm usually a risk taker and happy to see players chance their hand if they have skills knowing that it won't always produce but you do need to have them fit in to a balanced team to start.
BB is the one at risk in my team. He might be able to regain form but I still can't fit him into a well balanced side.BB is one of my favourite players of all time. It kills me to dig him out.
But we seen this movie in 2019 and it didn't have a good ending.
The dual playmakers. The vanilla ALB Goodhue midfield. The unbalanced backrow.
Allblack fullbacks need to be scoring tries.
Beaudy is gun shy.
He is playing tag rugby out there these days and kicking an inordinate amount of good pill away.
Even if all of that stops though you either have to create the balance around him or see if he is best fit for the 15 role that you need.
Don't forget that his best international play came as a late game impact to break someone from nothing or consolidate an advantage won over time. Not as a starting 15.
To me in verges on the mistakes of trying to fit Lomu, Wilson, Cullen and Umaga into one side. It was just that Cullen wasn't a 13 it was that the roles weren't balanced. -
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Isn't that the thing against Jordan at a RWC though? The 'cheat code' opportunities in the big games are few and far.
At RWC with a player like Jordan, you only need a slight opportunity though. Jordan does seem to have defensive concerns but overall I prefer Stevenson and Jordan over BB now. I'm not sure that defensively BB has much if any advantage over them and in terms of evasiveness and kicking they are ahead.
Their upside surely outweighs their perceived downside at this stage relative to Beaudys.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
- Smith
- DMAC
- Rieko
- Jordie
- Aumua
- Stevenson/Narawa
- Jordan
Imagine we had 10 or 15 tests left to get that to gel.
It is really only 12-13 combination that needs much time to gel though, I'm sure at 14 either will fit in and make impact quickly. In saying that, has DMac played at 10 with Smith at 9? Probably off the bench?
Yeah was the centres I had in mind regarding the gelling.
I don't think we win it with the status quo but I think we could if we try something and make a few tough calls.
Beaudy scored 1 try last year? Where the ball nutmegged an Irish defender on the try line and he jumped on it....
That's it...from an Allblack fullback in a calendar year. That aint gonna cut the mustard folks.
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
I think Fozzies hand will be forced anyway like it has been historically......
5 games to go. 2 against Australia, 2 against the Boks and 1 against Argentina.
There are no easybeats there. There will be casualties.
There is only 1 vs the Boks isn’t there?
Edit: sorry forgot about the game in the UK.
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@Unite said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
I think Fozzies hand will be forced anyway like it has been historically......
5 games to go. 2 against Australia, 2 against the Boks and 1 against Argentina.
There are no easybeats there. There will be casualties.
There is only 1 vs the Boks isn’t there?
Edit: sorry forgot about the game in the UK.
I don't think what we have seen so far from the AB's under Foster is going to win the cup....
He knows he isn't getting reappointed.
Surely he has to roll the dice on a few calls no?
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@Steve much as that try against Ireland was absolutely brilliant, probably the one game that shouldn't be used to promote Wii as an AB. I was at game and genuinley was so disappointed that the 12 seconds involved in that try was virtually I thought about all he seemed interested in during the 80 minutes of the game. I was watching him not seem to attempt to take high balls etc kicked hiw way on wing. I actually thought he must of been injured, until he had be standing yelling as he scored that try. He is a much better player than he showed in that test, apart from that 12 seconds etc.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
When was the last time Will Jordan played?
Touching wood, but isn't his future less than clear?
Last year , why I made my comment on Narawa, Will needs to be back on field to get some rugby under his belt, show selectors he has still got it after long lay off.
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@Unite said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
I think Fozzies hand will be forced anyway like it has been historically......
5 games to go. 2 against Australia, 2 against the Boks and 1 against Argentina.
There are no easybeats there. There will be casualties.
There is only 1 vs the Boks isn’t there?
Edit: sorry forgot about the game in the UK.
No 2 against Boks, playing a warm up for WC against them at Twickenham.
