Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
I believe Andor was good, but it had terrible ratings.
where? its like 96% on rotten tomatoes and mid 80's on IMDB
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@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
I believe Andor was good, but it had terrible ratings.
where? its like 96% on rotten tomatoes and mid 80's on IMDB
I meant eyeballs not reviews.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel second season already underway if im not mistaken so we'll see if the good reviews bring in more viewers
i very much enjoyed it but feel its time to leave this time period alone, pick any of the other stories from the thousands of year of "history" and planning out a series of movies, marvel overdid it probably but a movie a year with the 2 in a year that caps off a chapter would be great
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@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel second season already underway if im not mistaken so we'll see if the good reviews bring in more viewers
i very much enjoyed it but feel its time to leave this time period alone, pick any of the other stories from the thousands of year of "history" and planning out a series of movies, marvel overdid it probably but a movie a year with the 2 in a year that caps off a chapter would be great
It was never going to be a massive success because there was no demand for it. At any rate it was always going to be a side project. Right now there doesn't appear to be anything propelling this thing forward. As you say, it's all prequel stuff. Given the enormous amount of material to work with it's quite incredible that they've managed to dig this hole. To me the obvious thing would have been to have a new generation of Jedi doing Jedi shit. You could have developed a whole host of new characters like the Clone Wars. Even having the Skywalker twins and one of them turning to the dark side would have been infinitely better than the slop they delivered. I find it incredible that there was no overarching plan for the sequels. What the actual f?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel just off the top of my head, jump 1000 years forward short montage showing force users were largely forgotten, you could tell the story of people recovering it, one movie a indiana jone temple dive find some holocron and boom...then you tell the story of rebuilding the jedi order...100% would watch
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i actually remember thinking the sequels were going to be able hunting down luke, with all the talk of a map and shit, like we wouldn't actually see him until the third film and he'd come back all OP and help them win it....nope, find him straight away
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@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
i actually remember thinking the sequels were going to be able hunting down luke, with all the talk of a map and shit, like we wouldn't actually see him until the third film and he'd come back all OP and help them win it....nope, find him straight away
That would have been infinitely better than the shit we were served up. Just the pure lack of originality and ideas was terrible, not to mention the mistreatment of beloved characters. I was hope that the originals would kind of hang in the background watching over the new characters, but intervene and unleash some cool shit if called upon to do so. Instead they made Han a fůcking smuggler again and then had his weird-looking son kill him. And the less said about Luke the better. What a disaster. Without the Mandalorian they'd been even more fůcked.
Just on Lucasfilm, they've probably already pumped stupid money into the latest Indy film, but fark me they're crazy if they don't get SR involved somehow.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
i actually remember thinking the sequels were going to be able hunting down luke, with all the talk of a map and shit, like we wouldn't actually see him until the third film and he'd come back all OP and help them win it....nope, find him straight away
That would have been infinitely better than the shit we were served up. Just the pure lack of originality and ideas was terrible, not to mention the mistreatment of beloved characters. I was hope that the originals would kind of hang in the background watching over the new characters, but intervene and unleash some cool shit if called upon to do so. Instead they made Han a fůcking smuggler again and then had his weird-looking son kill him. And the less said about Luke the better. What a disaster. Without the Mandalorian they'd been even more fůcked.
Just on Lucasfilm, they've probably already pumped stupid money into the latest Indy film, but fark me they're crazy if they don't get SR involved somehow.
I agree that the core material was there through the 'discarded' novels. I get that the YV storyline was too dark for what Disney wanted to invest in but the basics were there. The next generation of Skywalkers and Solos, the twins, the light and dark etc all formed a great core for a trilogy. The YV part could have been dumbed down to being invaders from another galaxy as well.
The scope for offshoots and backstories with going right back to BF also existed.
Anyway they fucked up but we can't go back in time. I think that the current lack of product is hopefully a chance to reset direction. Taika has said that if he does something it will be well back in time, the scrapping of a Rogue Squadron movie is probably good (as much as I liked the RS novels and characters). Andor has snuck through and shown that there is scope for a more adult level of content in the EU that can sit alongside the action/simple stuff.
Favreau and Filoni look like they maight be heading down a messy path by combining the Thrawn part from the 'legends' with their Clone Wars/ Rebels stuff. Hope they find a way out. -
@Rancid-Schnitzel in general i like the force awakens...but i feel its biggest crime isn't the new characters or the fan service...its that they undo everything won in the original trilogy, as you say, hans a smuggler again, luke leaves and take the jedi and the "new hope" along with it and effectively just brought back the empire
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My soon to be 15 year old son is in that cynical teenage phase of his life and in between bouts of getting extremely tall he takes great delight in winding people up with his unpopular opinion just for shits and gigs.
Needless to say at the moment his favourite Star Wars movie is “the Last Jedi”
It was a monumental effort to get him to sit and watch Mando but even he had to admit it was awesome.
That tie fighter battle over Bo Katans planet was as awesome as any I’ve seen in the movies, exceptional stuff.
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@MN5 one of my completely unsubstantiated theories for judging special effects, seems cheap movie have all their action at night (or space) i assume so they can hide details or lack of detail in the shadows....full spaceship battle in broad daylight?....awesome
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@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 one of my completely unsubstantiated theories for judging special effects, seems cheap movie have all their action at night (or space) i assume so they can hide details or lack of detail in the shadows....full spaceship battle in broad daylight?....awesome
Yes indeed, I loved the space battle in Rogue One as well to name another.
To be fair to the OT the technology wasn’t available to make it look as polished as it does today.
Landos heroics in ROTJ will always hold a place in my heart though, that battle is awesome.
I reckon Lucas should redo the one from ANH, a horde of fighters were in the battle in Rogue One but only a small handful came out of the Death Star which you’d assume would house hundreds of thousands of tie fighters.
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Also it irked me to no end that Han became a small time smuggler who lost his fucken ship !
He was one of the major heroes of the rebellion and should have lived a cushy life after that.
the idea that their marriage broke up because of what happened to Ben.....is kind of interesting....and going back to what you knew if this new life has burnt you kind of makes sense....but lets see it! rather than just happening off screen
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@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Also it irked me to no end that Han became a small time smuggler who lost his fucken ship !
He was one of the major heroes of the rebellion and should have lived a cushy life after that.
the idea that their marriage broke up because of what happened to Ben.....is kind of interesting....and going back to what you knew if this new life has burnt you kind of makes sense....but lets see it! rather than just happening off screen
In the 'legends' novels Han and Leia became estranged when Chewie died doing a heroic deed to save the kids. Han couldn't handle the grief.
That's way better.
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@Crucial agreed, the old school nerds would have also wanted to come and watch the old books on the big screen
either lean right into or got he other way like they started to do, i liked the idea anyone could be a force user
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@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel in general i like the force awakens...but i feel its biggest crime isn't the new characters or the fan service...its that they undo everything won in the original trilogy, as you say, hans a smuggler again, luke leaves and take the jedi and the "new hope" along with it and effectively just brought back the empire
I said all of these things when it came out and was met with much righteous anger. There were claims that they actually had these awesome ideas and that you just had to be patient. And then they brought Palpatine back.....
Even watching Mando is a bit of a downer because you know it's just going to lead to the First Order nonsense and farking Palpatine. The hope was that they'd retcon that shit, but nope, they're digging in.
Such a shame.
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Hard to disagree with this
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his biases undermine any good points he makes...couldn't finish watching, just come across too bitter to be taken seriously
