Blackcaps v Sri Lanka
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@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@LABCAT said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@LABCAT said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Bovidae said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Nicholls will continue to be selected.
And another 30 plus mediocre Quick selected.
Who would you have picked instead?
There's quite a few young players that would be worth more of a punt than picking D. Bracewell again. We should be looking for next Souther/Boult who quite young when they started playing test cricket.
Who are these players? The wee bit of domestic cricket I have watched suggest to me the cupboard is bare of younger bowlers, and batters, who are ready to be thrown into the Craps.
I would pick any of the following before I would consider Bracewell again:
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or if we really want someone who has experience how about we pick someone who is actually proven they are a world class bowler (although that is white ball cricket):
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Out of that lot the only one I can't recall watching is Clarke so I have no opinion on him. Is Katene Clarke related?
The two Canterbury bowlers, O'Rourke and Foulkes look promising I agree, but they are only just starting to find their feet at 1st class level. Foulkes, even though he swings the ball quite a lot, would bowl early 120's at best I reckon. International batters wouldn't have too much trouble at that pace. He needs to develop into a batting all rounder rather than a front line bowler.
O'Rourke is tall and does cause problems for batters. Probably bowls late 120s early 130s but haven't seen a radar on him. Might be worth a punt, but it would only be a punt at this stage.
Shipley? Haven't seen him bowl either now that I think about it. Did he show anything to suggest he will be better than Tickner, Duffy, Bracewell at this stage when he did play for the Craps? What about him makes you believe he could have what it takes?
Ferguson is always broken isn't he?
In the ss games I watched O'Rourke was up to 135ks,Foulkes around 130ks.
But when I watched Foulkes playing in the 20/20 club comp in Qld he was bowling around 135ks. -
@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@LABCAT said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@LABCAT said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Bovidae said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Nicholls will continue to be selected.
And another 30 plus mediocre Quick selected.
Who would you have picked instead?
There's quite a few young players that would be worth more of a punt than picking D. Bracewell again. We should be looking for next Souther/Boult who quite young when they started playing test cricket.
Who are these players? The wee bit of domestic cricket I have watched suggest to me the cupboard is bare of younger bowlers, and batters, who are ready to be thrown into the Craps.
I would pick any of the following before I would consider Bracewell again:
William O’Rourke Profile - Cricket Player New Zealand | Stats, Records, Video
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Henry Shipley Profile - Cricket Player New Zealand | Stats, Records, Video
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or if we really want someone who has experience how about we pick someone who is actually proven they are a world class bowler (although that is white ball cricket):
Lockie Ferguson Profile - Cricket Player New Zealand | Stats, Records, Video
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Out of that lot the only one I can't recall watching is Clarke so I have no opinion on him. Is Katene Clarke related?
The two Canterbury bowlers, O'Rourke and Foulkes look promising I agree, but they are only just starting to find their feet at 1st class level. Foulkes, even though he swings the ball quite a lot, would bowl early 120's at best I reckon. International batters wouldn't have too much trouble at that pace. He needs to develop into a batting all rounder rather than a front line bowler.
O'Rourke is tall and does cause problems for batters. Probably bowls late 120s early 130s but haven't seen a radar on him. Might be worth a punt, but it would only be a punt at this stage.
Shipley? Haven't seen him bowl either now that I think about it. Did he show anything to suggest he will be better than Tickner, Duffy, Bracewell at this stage when he did play for the Craps? What about him makes you believe he could have what it takes?
Ferguson is always broken isn't he?
In the ss games I watched O'Rourke was up to 135ks,Foulkes around 130ks.
But when I watched Foulkes playing in the 20/20 club comp in Qld he was bowling around 135ks.I didn't see any SS games with a radar so must have watched different games to you. Foulkes at 135? That surprises me.
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I am probably sounding negative about giving young players a go, but it's because none are screaming 'pick me'. The problems come if young players are picked when they are not standing out significantly from their peers. If they don't initially succeed it will be tempting to discard them for someone else and I hate seeing young players stuffed around like that.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@LABCAT said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@LABCAT said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Bovidae said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Nicholls will continue to be selected.
And another 30 plus mediocre Quick selected.
Who would you have picked instead?
There's quite a few young players that would be worth more of a punt than picking D. Bracewell again. We should be looking for next Souther/Boult who quite young when they started playing test cricket.
Who are these players? The wee bit of domestic cricket I have watched suggest to me the cupboard is bare of younger bowlers, and batters, who are ready to be thrown into the Craps.
I would pick any of the following before I would consider Bracewell again:
William O’Rourke Profile - Cricket Player New Zealand | Stats, Records, Video
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Henry Shipley Profile - Cricket Player New Zealand | Stats, Records, Video
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Zakary Foulkes Profile - Cricket Player New Zealand | Stats, Records, Video
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Kristian Clarke Profile - Cricket Player New Zealand | Stats, Records, Video
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or if we really want someone who has experience how about we pick someone who is actually proven they are a world class bowler (although that is white ball cricket):
Lockie Ferguson Profile - Cricket Player New Zealand | Stats, Records, Video
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Out of that lot the only one I can't recall watching is Clarke so I have no opinion on him. Is Katene Clarke related?
The two Canterbury bowlers, O'Rourke and Foulkes look promising I agree, but they are only just starting to find their feet at 1st class level. Foulkes, even though he swings the ball quite a lot, would bowl early 120's at best I reckon. International batters wouldn't have too much trouble at that pace. He needs to develop into a batting all rounder rather than a front line bowler.
O'Rourke is tall and does cause problems for batters. Probably bowls late 120s early 130s but haven't seen a radar on him. Might be worth a punt, but it would only be a punt at this stage.
Shipley? Haven't seen him bowl either now that I think about it. Did he show anything to suggest he will be better than Tickner, Duffy, Bracewell at this stage when he did play for the Craps? What about him makes you believe he could have what it takes?
Ferguson is always broken isn't he?
Ferguson is fit currently, took four wickets in a PS game last week. Duffy may be worth shot, would prefer him over Bracewell. Tickner looks like he may be taking his chance.
Agreed, that it would be a risk picking any of those younger bowlers but I think it would be worth the risk rather than picking Bracewell who we know is nothing more than a filler. These games against Sri Lanka are essentially dead rubbers so we should be developing our team for the next WTC and after that. All of those bowlers I listed have a better chance of reaching the Southee/Boult level whereas Bracewell definitely does not.
Southee, Vettori and to a lesser extent Boult all had little FC experience when making the test debuts.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@LABCAT said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@LABCAT said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Crazy-Horse said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Bovidae said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Nicholls will continue to be selected.
And another 30 plus mediocre Quick selected.
Who would you have picked instead?
There's quite a few young players that would be worth more of a punt than picking D. Bracewell again. We should be looking for next Souther/Boult who quite young when they started playing test cricket.
Who are these players? The wee bit of domestic cricket I have watched suggest to me the cupboard is bare of younger bowlers, and batters, who are ready to be thrown into the Craps.
I would pick any of the following before I would consider Bracewell again:
William O’Rourke Profile - Cricket Player New Zealand | Stats, Records, Video
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Henry Shipley Profile - Cricket Player New Zealand | Stats, Records, Video
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Zakary Foulkes Profile - Cricket Player New Zealand | Stats, Records, Video
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Kristian Clarke Profile - Cricket Player New Zealand | Stats, Records, Video
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or if we really want someone who has experience how about we pick someone who is actually proven they are a world class bowler (although that is white ball cricket):
Lockie Ferguson Profile - Cricket Player New Zealand | Stats, Records, Video
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Out of that lot the only one I can't recall watching is Clarke so I have no opinion on him. Is Katene Clarke related?
The two Canterbury bowlers, O'Rourke and Foulkes look promising I agree, but they are only just starting to find their feet at 1st class level. Foulkes, even though he swings the ball quite a lot, would bowl early 120's at best I reckon. International batters wouldn't have too much trouble at that pace. He needs to develop into a batting all rounder rather than a front line bowler.
O'Rourke is tall and does cause problems for batters. Probably bowls late 120s early 130s but haven't seen a radar on him. Might be worth a punt, but it would only be a punt at this stage.
Shipley? Haven't seen him bowl either now that I think about it. Did he show anything to suggest he will be better than Tickner, Duffy, Bracewell at this stage when he did play for the Craps? What about him makes you believe he could have what it takes?
Ferguson is always broken isn't he?
In the ss games I watched O'Rourke was up to 135ks,Foulkes around 130ks.
But when I watched Foulkes playing in the 20/20 club comp in Qld he was bowling around 135ks.I didn't see any SS games with a radar so must have watched different games to you. Foulkes at 135? That surprises me.
Brendan Donkers had a gun on the Canterbury bowlers and recorded those speeds.
We had a gun out in the 20/20 comp and clicked Zac at that a few times as we had a quick working up to speed from an injury,
Maybe more speed of the bouncier wkts made Foulkes pick up pace. -
@Chris-B said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@hydro11 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@canefan said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Gunner said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Mate, 150 odd for 5, were all but fucked.
Get in tonight after a busy day out and we made 370 odd.We’ve got an incredible knack of getting ourselves out of some really shit situations at the moment.
Out batting order seems very brittle at the moment, prone to a collapse which we haven’t seen much of in the last couple of years.
Nicholls the huge concern, hasn’t scored runs for what seems a long time. Time to give Young or Phillips some time in the saddle and see what they can do.
Yup. Can't judge Young or Phillips on a game or two, Nicholls has been given far more rope than that
Young and Phillips are just clearly worse players. I'm all for someone arguing that Nicholls is out of form and maybe someone else could score more runs than him in Wellington. I don't accept that there is a better batsman than him in New Zealand waiting in the wings.
Nicholls has been substandard for the past two years - during that time he's averaged 22 and made one hundred that various people have claimed he was dropped five times in getting.
There comes a point where you have to be dropped and Henry is there for me (well, one more chance to save himself).
According to my calculations, in non-test first class cricket:
Phillips averages about 41.5
Nicholls averages 39.1
And Daryl Mitchell averages 37.5A year ago there would have been a good case that Mitch Jr. was clearly a worse player than Nicholls (and our selectors clearly thought so). It's possible that Phillips - or whomever else replaces Nicholls - would similarly take to test cricket like a duck to water.
Phillips has already shown good temperament in limited overs international cricket
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Beauty of an over from Rajitha
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@LABCAT said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
And if we are really serious about finding a spinner who can bat a bit, lets select this guy:
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Daniel Vettori had a similar amount of experience when he was picked and look how he turned out.
Or Tim "son of Chris" Pringle
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Can any locals give us an update on the weather down there please ?
Fucken hate it when rain delays cricket……I don’t mind it if it saves our asses though.
So being ever the optimist with a couple of tried and proven players at the crease I’m hating it right now.
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@MN5 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
I don’t mind it if it saves our asses though.
it's screwing Sri Lanka. Our chance to win was to bat enough overs today - if the overs drop we'll defend, and rolling a side in a couple of sessions looks unlikely here.
Pity, would have been a damn good day of test cricket! Christchurch is ususally so dry as well, unlucky
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@nzzp said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
I don’t mind it if it saves our asses though.
it's screwing Sri Lanka. Our chance to win was to bat enough overs today - if the overs drop we'll defend, and rolling a side in a couple of sessions looks unlikely here.
Pity, would have been a damn good day of test cricket! Christchurch is ususally so dry as well, unlucky
Do you not remember all those infamous Black Caps batting collapses?!
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@Higgins said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@nzzp said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
I don’t mind it if it saves our asses though.
it's screwing Sri Lanka. Our chance to win was to bat enough overs today - if the overs drop we'll defend, and rolling a side in a couple of sessions looks unlikely here.
Pity, would have been a damn good day of test cricket! Christchurch is ususally so dry as well, unlucky
Do you not remember all those infamous Black Caps batting collapses?!
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110 all out. Still fresh
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@canefan Imagine how bad it would have been without Chris Martin's 7 (Average 2.36) , at the astonishing strike rate of 70, in the tenth wicket partnership of fourteen with Brent Arnel (Average 5.62 helped by four not outs from his twelve innings).
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@booboo said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@booboo said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Wags: bulging disc and torn hammy.
Career ender at
36?Loves Wags.
37 apparently
Birthday today?
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