Documentaries
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The Volcan: Rescue from Whakaari
20mins in and I have an intense dislike of the Americans. It didn't start well when the woman said "evaaaahhh". But it went downhill from there; didn't think an active volcano was potentially dangerous, complained that open water was choppy and they felt sea sick.
40mine in and the footage is amazing. We're now getting into the rescue response.
I don't know if the crew of the Phoenix received bravery awards, but they clearly should have.
Add the Volcanic Air guys to that too - outstanding New Zealanders.
I always find it difficult to watch people deal with grief, the loss of loved ones. But I guess there's no way to do this without it.
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@antipodean yeah Hoppy is a mate of mine, speaking to him a couple of days after and he wouldn't talk about it, other than to say it was unbelievably grim and scarring. Article below has the awards.
As an aside he's one half of the brilliant Bay Tropics business I'm always plugging on here that I know @canefan is a big fan of.
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@antipodean said in Documentaries:
The Volcan: Rescue from Whakaari
20mins in and I have an intense dislike of the Americans. It didn't start well when the woman said "evaaaahhh". But it went downhill from there; didn't think an active volcano was potentially dangerous, complained that open water was choppy and they felt sea sick.
40mine in and the footage is amazing. We're now getting into the rescue response.
I don't know if the crew of the Phoenix received bravery awards, but they clearly should have.
Add the Volcanic Air guys to that too - outstanding New Zealanders.
I always find it difficult to watch people deal with grief, the loss of loved ones. But I guess there's no way to do this without it.
The Americans got to me in the end and I didn’t finish watching after being distracted away for a while. Couldn’t bear any more of them.
I have pity and they suffered for sure but the points you mention just eat into that sympathy.
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@Crucial said in Documentaries:
@antipodean said in Documentaries:
The Volcan: Rescue from Whakaari
20mins in and I have an intense dislike of the Americans. It didn't start well when the woman said "evaaaahhh". But it went downhill from there; didn't think an active volcano was potentially dangerous, complained that open water was choppy and they felt sea sick.
40mine in and the footage is amazing. We're now getting into the rescue response.
I don't know if the crew of the Phoenix received bravery awards, but they clearly should have.
Add the Volcanic Air guys to that too - outstanding New Zealanders.
I always find it difficult to watch people deal with grief, the loss of loved ones. But I guess there's no way to do this without it.
The Americans got to me in the end and I didn’t finish watching after being distracted away for a while. Couldn’t bear any more of them.
I have pity and they suffered for sure but the points you mention just eat into that sympathy.Especially when contrasted against the stoicism of the young Aussie kid who lost his entire family, which I felt was a deliberate editing decision.
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Just finished watching this (have been watching it in small doses over the week to avoid it getting me down). Interesting doco and crazy the amount of footage available these days and the quality from some phones is nuts.
I think this thread prepped me a bit for the Americans so they didn't annoy me as much as others, but yeah their complaining from the start was kind of annoying. I'm sure everyone knows they're going to an active volcano when signing up, I would think that would be one of the main selling points.
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Pepsi Where’s My Jet
Excellent100 Foot Wave
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Been watching Michael Fassbender: Road to Le Mans on the youtubes.
Starting at season one https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKduzfEGbn-GvYvsyTO-EO27c4FBi3UAs (of four) as he attempts to drive competitively as an amateur in the iconic race. Refreshingly honest and raw with superb cinematography/ editing.
I love it given I started motorsport at conception: My father raced bikes, my parents rallied. I've raced bikes and cars. And I fervently wish I had the resources (or clout) to have the backing of my favourite manufacturer to do such a thing.
Great viewing.
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Just started watching a programme on the murder of James Bulger.
For those not familiar ... victim was a 2yo lured away from his mother and beaten to death by a pair of 10 yo boys.
Not sure I'm articulating this properly, but ...
...My question is why do we feel so much more horror at this crime, and disgust for the perpetrators? Especially over and above adults carrying out the same crime?
There have been multitudinous deaths of 2yos at the hands of adult sickos that we all struggle to put names to. But, in my experience, the feeling of revulsion we all get towards these babies (at 10yo yes they're babies) that perpetrated this is much greater.
Not excusing, absolutely no way. They knew what they were doing was wrong.
My question is why do we feel this is worse than so many other acts of violence committed by adults?
Answers on the back of a postcard...
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@booboo said in Documentaries:
Just started watching a programme on the murder of James Bulger.
For those not familiar ... victim was a 2yo lured away from his mother and beaten to death by a pair of 10 yo boys.
Not sure I'm articulating this properly, but ...
...My question is why do we feel so much more horror at this crime, and disgust for the perpetrators? Especially over and above adults carrying out the same crime?
There have been multitudinous deaths of 2yos at the hands of adult sickos that we all struggle to put names to. But, in my experience, the feeling of revulsion we all get towards these babies (at 10yo yes they're babies) that perpetrated this is much greater.
Not excusing, absolutely no way. They knew what they were doing was wrong.
My question is why do we feel this is worse than so many other acts of violence committed by adults?
Answers on the back of a postcard...
Possibly because they were sick fucks at 10
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@MiketheSnow I know right.
But they were 10. They're still babies.
And as sick as that is, isn't some adult sick fuck more sickening?
And what in their upbringing made them sick fucks in the first place?
This whole story just makes me hope more and more for the asteroid.
Really don't know if I'm expressing myself properly here.
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@booboo said in Documentaries:
Just started watching a programme on the murder of James Bulger.
For those not familiar ... victim was a 2yo lured away from his mother and beaten to death by a pair of 10 yo boys.
Not sure I'm articulating this properly, but ...
...My question is why do we feel so much more horror at this crime, and disgust for the perpetrators? Especially over and above adults carrying out the same crime?
There have been multitudinous deaths of 2yos at the hands of adult sickos that we all struggle to put names to. But, in my experience, the feeling of revulsion we all get towards these babies (at 10yo yes they're babies) that perpetrated this is much greater.
Not excusing, absolutely no way. They knew what they were doing was wrong.
My question is why do we feel this is worse than so many other acts of violence committed by adults?
Answers on the back of a postcard...
My gut feeling is that we expect only adults to be evil, corrupted by society or a long established pattern of abuse and neglect as children. It's chilling to see what should be innocents doing unspeakably evil acts.
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@booboo said in Documentaries:
@MiketheSnow I know right.
But they were 10. They're still babies.
And as sick as that is, isn't some adult sick fuck more sickening?
And what in their upbringing made them sick fucks in the first place?
This whole story just makes me hope more and more for the asteroid.
Really don't know if I'm expressing myself properly here.
I killed ants with a magnifying glass when I was a kid
Saw the power, saw the destruction
Stopped
Thank fuck they caught these kids when they did
More than one death if they'd gotten away with it
Some people come out of the womb broken
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@MiketheSnow said in Documentaries:
@booboo said in Documentaries:
@MiketheSnow I know right.
But they were 10. They're still babies.
And as sick as that is, isn't some adult sick fuck more sickening?
And what in their upbringing made them sick fucks in the first place?
This whole story just makes me hope more and more for the asteroid.
Really don't know if I'm expressing myself properly here.
I killed ants with a magnifying glass when I was a kid
Saw the power, saw the destruction
Stopped
Thank fuck they caught these kids when they did
More than one death if they'd gotten away with it
Some people come out of the womb broken
Of the two Thompson has never had any subsequent trouble. Venables however has had several visits to clink for violent offending, including against children, and child pornography.
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@booboo said in Documentaries:
@MiketheSnow said in Documentaries:
@booboo said in Documentaries:
@MiketheSnow I know right.
But they were 10. They're still babies.
And as sick as that is, isn't some adult sick fuck more sickening?
And what in their upbringing made them sick fucks in the first place?
This whole story just makes me hope more and more for the asteroid.
Really don't know if I'm expressing myself properly here.
I killed ants with a magnifying glass when I was a kid
Saw the power, saw the destruction
Stopped
Thank fuck they caught these kids when they did
More than one death if they'd gotten away with it
Some people come out of the womb broken
Of the two Thompson has never had any subsequent trouble. Venables however has had several visits to clink for violent offending, including against children, and child pornography.
One master, one apprentice
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are they both still in the UK?
I know many years back they were looking at re-homing them outside the UK within the Commonwealth (Aus, NZ & Canada were talked about) with new identities, and there was understandably, alot of opposition from people in those countries.
Something I read around that time too, one was def the leader of the 2 and showed little to no remorse.
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@booboo said in Documentaries:
@MiketheSnow I know right.
But they were 10. They're still babies.
And as sick as that is, isn't some adult sick fuck more sickening?
And what in their upbringing made them sick fucks in the first place?
This whole story just makes me hope more and more for the asteroid.
Really don't know if I'm expressing myself properly here.
Interesting question.
I shall think a bit, but I’m in no doubt that if I was Bulgers father I would have attacked both of them. Not sure when I would have stopped.
Literally zero doubt.
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@taniwharugby said in Documentaries:
are they both still in the UK?
I know many years back they were looking at re-homing them outside the UK within the Commonwealth (Aus, NZ & Canada were talked about) with new identities, and there was understandably, alot of opposition from people in those countries.
Something I read around that time too, one was def the leader of the 2 and showed little to no remorse.
The interviewing cops painted Thompson as having no remorse, but it appears Venables has the worse record.
Mind you, it might just mean that Thompson is a true psychopath, has no feelings good or bad, and realises that life is easier if he doesn't fuck up.
Who knows?
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@booboo said in Documentaries:
Just started watching a programme on the murder of James Bulger.
For those not familiar ... victim was a 2yo lured away from his mother and beaten to death by a pair of 10 yo boys.
Not sure I'm articulating this properly, but ...
...My question is why do we feel so much more horror at this crime, and disgust for the perpetrators? Especially over and above adults carrying out the same crime?
There have been multitudinous deaths of 2yos at the hands of adult sickos that we all struggle to put names to. But, in my experience, the feeling of revulsion we all get towards these babies (at 10yo yes they're babies) that perpetrated this is much greater.
Not excusing, absolutely no way. They knew what they were doing was wrong.
My question is why do we feel this is worse than so many other acts of violence committed by adults?
Answers on the back of a postcard...
Summary of this situation is that this is the sort of crime which truly a shocks a nation. Even if it was done by a 35 year old sicko, it would be a truly shocking crime which would ring long in the ears of of inhabitants here about where we currently stand. The fact it was done by two 10 year old boys causes it be doubled down upon.
I have an 11 year old boy, which means that both Venables & Thompson were younger than he is now when they committed this atrocity. I'll acknowledge that my son is rather young for an 11 year old, but its simply not possible to fathom that somebody of his age could be capable of such a thing. It is incomprehensible.
For all the shit that this country takes, it is on the whole, a pretty safe place to be. People don't just get murdered or disappear. You only need to look at the coverage that Nicola Bulley has got over the last few weeks to realise that. For those that don't know, a mid forties woman disappeared walking her dog and the police said she probably fell in the river. They found her body about two weeks later but she was splashed everywhere, front cover of all the rags etc whilst the police tried to piece together what happened (she did as the police suspected, fall in the river).
Thus, a disappearance of a kid & when the subsequent crime coming out truly shocked a nation.
I did a quick google search on this to check a couple of facts before writing and I must say, the mere sight of those two little fluffybunnies actually made me pretty angry. It's completely wrong that 1c of my taxpayers money is spent on them. They don't deserve one single bit of respect from anybody, and it's pretty clear that both are complete psychopaths.
I'm not pro capital punishment, but if a nasty accident was to happen to either of them, I doubt a single person in this country would give a flying fuck.