Black Caps v England
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps v England:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v England:
There just aren't any/many talented seam bowlers in NZ at the moment younger than 30
wondering where these guys are that you were talking about no more than a month ago?
"Actually, pace is the one bright spot, of the young guys on domestics"
Sears injured, Fisher injured. O'Rourke fit (but still too early, least progressed of the 3, would want him in the next A series, if we have one)
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@Rapido said in Black Caps v England:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v England:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v England:
There just aren't any/many talented seam bowlers in NZ at the moment younger than 30
wondering where these guys are that you were talking about no more than a month ago?
"Actually, pace is the one bright spot, of the young guys on domestics"
Sears injured, Fisher injured. O'Rourke fit (but still too early, least progressed of the 3, would want him in the next A series, if we have one)
I watched O'Rourke he would be 135ks tops so not really pace.
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@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v England:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v England:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v England:
There just aren't any/many talented seam bowlers in NZ at the moment younger than 30
wondering where these guys are that you were talking about no more than a month ago?
"Actually, pace is the one bright spot, of the young guys on domestics"
Sears injured, Fisher injured. O'Rourke fit (but still too early, least progressed of the 3, would want him in the next A series, if we have one)
I watched O'Rourke he would be 135ks tops so not really pace.
Agree about O'Rouke's pace, he ain't quick. But on the plus side, he does appear to be somewhat awkward to face.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v England:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v England:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v England:
There just aren't any/many talented seam bowlers in NZ at the moment younger than 30
wondering where these guys are that you were talking about no more than a month ago?
"Actually, pace is the one bright spot, of the young guys on domestics"
Sears injured, Fisher injured. O'Rourke fit (but still too early, least progressed of the 3, would want him in the next A series, if we have one)
I watched O'Rourke he would be 135ks tops so not really pace.
Agree about O'Rouke's pace he ain't quick. But on the plus side, he does appear to be somewhat awkward to face.
Yep bit of bounce there short of a length could be handy.
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@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
But no use slamming Stead if he has not got the cattle to pick from, he still as coach has to try and win games.
NZ contracted players from 2021/2022?
Conway, Latham, Allan, Williamson, Young, Philipps, Nicholls, Blundell, Mitchell, Ferguson, Jamieson, Wagner, Henry, Southee, Sodhi, A.Patel, Santner, Boult*, Milne, Chapman, Neesham, Bracewell, Cleaver, Sears, etc..
Mostly the same players Hesson had, except addition of better players like Mitchell, Conway, Jamieson, Young, which Hesson didn't get to use. Conway for example, had won matches single-handedly for Stead on multiple occasions that we should've lost.
Stephen Fleming would get a lot more out of this current lot, that's for sure.
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@kiwi_expat said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
But no use slamming Stead if he has not got the cattle to pick from, he still as coach has to try and win games.
NZ contracted players from 2022 I think?
Conway, Latham, Allan, Williamson, Young, Philipps, Nicholls, Blundell, Mitchell, Ferguson, Jamieson, Wagner, Henry, Southee, Sodhi, A.Patel, Santner, Boult (ODI's), Milne, Chapman, Bracewell, Cleaver, Sears, etc..
Mostly the same players Hesson had, except addition of better players like Mitchell, Conway, Jamieson, Young, which Hesson didn't get to use. Conway for example, had won matches single-handedly for Stead on multiple occasions that we should've lost.
Stephen Fleming would get a lot more out of this current lot, that's for sure.
Well he did win the Test Championship not all Shit.
Fleming is really a white ball coach these days.And was sounded out for a White ball job with NZC but turned it down for the big money on offer overseas in the 20/20 formats.Hesson a good man manager but not really a coach.You will find the Players coached themselves during his reign.
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Blackcaps central contracts list 2022-23: Tom Blundell, Trent Boult, Michael Bracewell, Devon Conway, Colin de Grandhomme, Lockie Ferguson, Martin Guptill, Matt Henry, Kyle Jamieson, Tom Latham, Daryl Mitchell, Henry Nicholls, Ajaz Patel, Glenn Phillips, Mitchell Santner, Ish Sodhi, Tim Southee, Neil Wagner, Kane Williamson, Will Young
Finn Allen and Blair Tickner later replaced Trent Boult and Colin de Grandhomme.
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@Chris They had option to go with Heinrich but decided he was "too inexperienced" or some poor justification NZR would recite, ironically he was the same age (37) as Hesson when he got the job in 2013.
Edit, found it:
Heinrich Malan in final season with CD Stags
Stags coach Heinrich Malan says he'll not renew his contract at the end of coming summer
"The job of coaching the New Zealand men's team had reportedly come down to a two-horse race between Stead and Malan with the former, as it turned out, predicted to cross the line by a neck."
"Reportedly, Malan was seen as "a little too early" for the job although the irony was Hesson was appointed when he was 37."
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@kiwi_expat said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris They had option to go with Heinrich but decided he was "too inexperienced" or some poor justification NZR would trot-out, ironically he was the same age (37) as Hesson when he got the job in 2013.
Edit, found it:
Heinrich Malan in final season with CD Stags
Stags coach Heinrich Malan says he'll not renew his contract at the end of coming summer
"The job of coaching the New Zealand men's team had reportedly come down to a two-horse race between Stead and Malan with the former, as it turned out, predicted to cross the line by a neck."
"Reportedly, Malan was seen as "a little too early" for the job although the irony was Hesson was appointed when he was 37."
Yes Heinrich has the SA White ball job now.
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@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
Heinrich Malan
You're thinking of Rob Walter.
Heinrich is currently coaching Ireland & is doing an outstanding job.
They finished 2nd in group B - beating Scotland & West Indies and then upset eventual champions England.
He's clearly the best candidate to take over the Black Caps after the 2023 World Cup.
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@kiwi_expat said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
Heinrich Malan
You're thinking of Rob Walter.
Heinrich is currently coaching Ireland & is doing an outstanding job.
They finished 2nd in group B - beating Scotland & West Indies and then upset eventual champions England.
He's the clearly the best candidate to take over the Black Caps after the 2023 World Cup.
Yeah I was too
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@Cyclops said in Black Caps v England:
He must be enjoying bowling with the new ball for a change.
he was a pretty boy fast bowler for Otago before switching to first change and dominating. Frustrating NB for the first delivery ... little things really count in Tests.
Southee a key here for us, and he's starting to bowl on the pads too much
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v England:
We are already in trouble.
Imagine - could have had Boult with Southee, and Wags at first change.
Stead you muppet.
