Foster, Robertson etc
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@BerniesCorner said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Can't understand the twisted criticism of Razor. He's done nothing wrong.
His intelligence and enthusiasm is exactly what is needed.
If Razor has inside knowledge not his fault. NZR have a very poor recent record of management.Up until NZR late last year Robertson was very quiet in the media about the All Blacks job. Then they stole his right hand man Jason Ryan, tapped his IP on how the All Blacks could do better, and informally offered him the head coach role, before deciding at the last minute that Foster should stay (due to one performance in South Africa). Why should he stay quiet when NZR keep telling him one thing in private and then doing another in public? He's laid his cards on the table, now if NZR had any integrity (which they don't) they should do the same.
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@Windows97 There's no way that the process hasn't started. That is a stateent to tell the media to get out of the way and stop creating noise.
Appointing a new coach while the old one is in position is not something done before so I don't get why there is expectation around activities. -
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@BerniesCorner said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Can't understand the twisted criticism of Razor. He's done nothing wrong.
His intelligence and enthusiasm is exactly what is needed.
If Razor has inside knowledge not his fault. NZR have a very poor recent record of management.Up until NZR late last year Robertson was very quiet in the media about the All Blacks job. Then they stole his right hand man Jason Ryan, tapped his IP on how the All Blacks could do better, and informally offered him the head coach role, before deciding at the last minute that Foster should stay (due to one performance in South Africa). Why should he stay quiet when NZR keep telling him one thing in private and then doing another in public? He's laid his cards on the table, now if NZR had any integrity (which they don't) they should do the same.
you seems to both be saying Razor hasn't done anything wrong....but in a way where it seems like your arguing with each other
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@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial So the process has started - whilst it officially hasn't started?
Like I say - this mess is of their own doing and the debacle in SA another mess of their own doing.
Could they just stop being messy?
The mess is in your head.
You have zero knowledge of what is actually happening but keep accusing them of being terrible at it.
Wait until there is something to back the accusations up.
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@Tim said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Chief executive Mark Robinson has presented a recommendation that the process to find the next All Blacks coach begin this month, and the unprecedented plan will be signed off on February 23 when the board next meets.
Look here it is - which is in the future...
So officially the process is yet to start.
Yet you as an apologist for the NZRU say it's already started.
So which one is it??
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@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Tim said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Chief executive Mark Robinson has presented a recommendation that the process to find the next All Blacks coach begin this month, and the unprecedented plan will be signed off on February 23 when the board next meets.
Look here it is - which is in the future...
So officially the process is yet to start.
Yet you as an apologist for the NZRU say it's already started.
So which one is it??
What does "apologist for the NZRU" even mean? He just disagrees with you, get a grip.
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@Kirwan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Tim said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Chief executive Mark Robinson has presented a recommendation that the process to find the next All Blacks coach begin this month, and the unprecedented plan will be signed off on February 23 when the board next meets.
Look here it is - which is in the future...
So officially the process is yet to start.
Yet you as an apologist for the NZRU say it's already started.
So which one is it??
What does "apologist for the NZRU" even mean? He just disagrees with you, get a grip.
An apologist is someone who speaks on someone else's behalf in order to explain a theory or their way of thinking. It's hardly a derogatory or inflammatory term.
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@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Part of where NZR shoot themselves in the foot is that they don't release decision by dates.
If they said we will make a decision on the AB coaching role by XX date then it would be simply a matter of saying "we are running a process and by XX date you will all have your answer."
That is all anyone would have to say.
But they leave it open and wishy washing and apparently talk to this person and that person "behind closed doors" while also apparently "running a process" and apparently this year "that process" has changed and wonder why there's a lot of speculation and people filling in the gaps.
They've created this monster themselves and I have little sympathy for them.
I actually have quite a lot of sympathy for any poor sod caught up in this whole AB coach debacle - including Foster himself.
Yep but what date, I keep repeating, why do they have to tell you and I who the AB coach is a year before he takes the gig. I have never known rugby boards anywhere saying you we will release the info on such and such a date. It's only a few self important people think they need to be told , but NZR or any other rugby board don't generally set dates, as they have plenty of time and need to check everything out.
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@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kirwan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Tim said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Chief executive Mark Robinson has presented a recommendation that the process to find the next All Blacks coach begin this month, and the unprecedented plan will be signed off on February 23 when the board next meets.
Look here it is - which is in the future...
So officially the process is yet to start.
Yet you as an apologist for the NZRU say it's already started.
So which one is it??
What does "apologist for the NZRU" even mean? He just disagrees with you, get a grip.
An apologist is someone who speaks on someone else's behalf in order to explain a theory or their way of thinking. It's hardly a derogatory or inflammatory term.
Definition: "a person who offers an argument in defence of something controversial"
We are talking about an organisation hiring an employee, hardly the end of the world.
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@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Tim said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Chief executive Mark Robinson has presented a recommendation that the process to find the next All Blacks coach begin this month, and the unprecedented plan will be signed off on February 23 when the board next meets.
Look here it is - which is in the future...
So officially the process is yet to start.
Yet you as an apologist for the NZRU say it's already started.
So which one is it??
Not sure if you understand what 'Officially' actually means Windows, I will give you an example. The All Black squad have been in camp traing, getting ready for RC and WC. Now that is not an official traing session for eithet tournament, but preparing things for when the 'official' team/squad is named and more detailed coaching takes place. It very good sense to do prepary work before starting the job proper!!
No thanks necessary mate, I like to help people get their mind sorted!
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@Kirwan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kirwan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Tim said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Chief executive Mark Robinson has presented a recommendation that the process to find the next All Blacks coach begin this month, and the unprecedented plan will be signed off on February 23 when the board next meets.
Look here it is - which is in the future...
So officially the process is yet to start.
Yet you as an apologist for the NZRU say it's already started.
So which one is it??
What does "apologist for the NZRU" even mean? He just disagrees with you, get a grip.
An apologist is someone who speaks on someone else's behalf in order to explain a theory or their way of thinking. It's hardly a derogatory or inflammatory term.
Definition: "a person who offers an argument in defence of something controversial"
We are talking about an organisation hiring an employee, hardly the end of the world.
And all I did was use a non offensive word in context, which isn't the end of the world either
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@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kirwan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kirwan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Tim said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Chief executive Mark Robinson has presented a recommendation that the process to find the next All Blacks coach begin this month, and the unprecedented plan will be signed off on February 23 when the board next meets.
Look here it is - which is in the future...
So officially the process is yet to start.
Yet you as an apologist for the NZRU say it's already started.
So which one is it??
What does "apologist for the NZRU" even mean? He just disagrees with you, get a grip.
An apologist is someone who speaks on someone else's behalf in order to explain a theory or their way of thinking. It's hardly a derogatory or inflammatory term.
Definition: "a person who offers an argument in defence of something controversial"
We are talking about an organisation hiring an employee, hardly the end of the world.
And all I did was use a non offensive word in context, which isn't the end of the world either
Nah, you start branched off into an ad hominem argument using words like apologist instead of just arguing the point. Am bored enough to point it out.
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@Kirwan I used Tim's quote and the reply popped up as a reply to Tim.
I wasn't actually talking to Tim, so if that's the ad hominem attack my apologies to Tim.
I still however enjoy the use of the word apologist in everyday conversations and hope to use it in the future with-out causing furore.
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@booboo said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris-B said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Mitch got sacked with an 82% record. Wayne Smith got sacked with a 70% record.
Good post, but just to add re the quoted bits, there were reasons.
Actually not quite correct, Smith actually resigned and wasn't reappointed which I think we can all agree isn't getting sacked! I personally would of reappointed him myself, but have to admit my opinion rightfully wasn't asked by NZR.
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@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kirwan I used Tim's quote and the reply popped up as a reply to Tim.
I wasn't actually talking to Tim, so if that's the ad hominem attack my apologies to Tim.
I still however enjoy the use of the word apologist in everyday conversations and hope to use it in the future with-out causing furore.
if your using the term "apologist" that often in everyday conversations.....is there a chance you're the problem?
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I guess it depends on whether you are trying to imply that they are a bit of a tit.
If so, then it could be the company Windows is keeping?
