NZ v Pakistan 2022/23
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@Dan54 said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
That is better Bracewell be positive.
Geez Chris you knew he was going to have his one decent score after you and Damo bagged him, the buggers do that just to give us the finger I thing. He will revert to usual in future no doubt, though doubt he will get another test this summer, haven't we only got Poms at home? More back to our usual line up of 3-4 seamers and maybe a spinner who can bat?
I will leave it to the cricket men to advise me on expected line ups on home pitch.I gave constructive criticism.
I don't see a place at home for a marginal spinning all rounder in the test team. If I did see room then it wouldn't be Bracewell.
I would go with Sodhi and stick with him through thick and thin for a couple of seasons. To me he looks the best spinner by some distance, and we know he can hold a bat.
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@Dan54 said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
That is better Bracewell be positive.
Geez Chris you knew he was going to have his one decent score after you and Damo bagged him, the buggers do that just to give us the finger I thing. He will revert to usual in future no doubt, though doubt he will get another test this summer, haven't we only got Poms at home? More back to our usual line up of 3-4 seamers and maybe a spinner who can bat?
I will leave it to the cricket men to advise me on expected line ups on home pitch.2 tests v poms and 2 tests v Sri Lankan at home .
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@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
More back to our usual line up of 3-4 seamers and maybe a spinner who can bat?
The last few years we have played 4 quicks because we are producing pitches that seam heaps but don't take spin even on the last day.
So unless we find an allrounder Bat/spin option to bat 5 or 6 we may revert back to the 4 seamers.
I understand why we do prepare pitches like that,But it means we aren't producing any real world class spinners,Which considering of the 9 major test playing nations 4 of them are from the sub continent where you need a couple of decent spinners.We are going to be touring there more and more.
Even now producing the wickets we do at home there is a possibility we don't get results if teams get through day 1 as the pitches latter even out to be roads on day 4 and 5 after the moisture we put in the pitch has gone.
Sub continent pitches see little water in preparation so they are Roads early then break up or stay low at the end of the test.
But while we don't have World class spinners we will keep producing the seaming pitches as we want to win at home.But as I said earlier we might get more draws if teams are not rolled on day 1. -
It's going to be a very interesting selection at home.
NZ have, effectively, lost all of their old ball bowlers that have made them dominant at home in the era since 2014. CdG, Wagner, Jamieson, Santner.
There are several permutations that can try to plug that gap:
- Proper spinner or spinner/allrounder
- a new seam bowling all rounder
- a new old ball seamer
But, we are effectively talking new guys, or imperfect fits, to fill the hardest roles in cricket. The socials will be ablaze this summer as new players get ripped apart by fans' 'hot takes'.
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@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
More back to our usual line up of 3-4 seamers and maybe a spinner who can bat?
The last few years we have played 4 quicks because we are producing pitches that seam heaps but don't take spin even on the last day.
So unless we find an allrounder Bat/spin option to bat 5 or 6 we may revert back to the 4 seamers.
I understand why we do prepare pitches like that,But it means we aren't producing any real world class spinners,Which considering of the 9 major test playing nations 4 of them are from the sub continent where you need a couple of decent spinners.We are going to be touring there more and more.
Even now producing the wickets we do at home there is a possibility we don't get results if teams get through day 1 as the pitches latter even out to be roads on day 4 and 5 after the moisture we put in the pitch has gone.
Sub continent pitches see little water in preparation so they are Roads early then break up or stay low at the end of the test.
But while we don't have World class spinners we will keep producing the seaming pitches as we want to win at home.But as I said earlier we might get more draws if teams are not rolled on day 1.By this are you talking Murali/Warne or Vettori class ? I suspect you mean the latter. Hoping for the former is absolutely dreaming, but even the latter looks a forlorn hope with what we’ve tried and discarded.
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@Rapido said in NZ v Pakistan:
It's going to be a very interesting selection at home.
NZ have, effectively, lost all of their old ball bowlers that have made them dominant at home in the era since 2014. CdG, Wagner, Jamieson, Santner.
There are several permutations that can try to plug that gap:
- Proper spinner or spinner/allrounder
- a new seam bowling all rounder
- a new old ball seamer
But, we are effectively talking new guys, or imperfect fits, to fill the hardest roles in cricket. The socials will be ablaze this summer as new players get ripped apart by fans' 'hot takes'.
I’m assuming this a typo ?
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@MajorRage said in NZ v Pakistan:
Test peters out to draw around 175-5.
gee that'll bring the crowds back
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@MajorRage said in NZ v Pakistan:
Major Rage prediction:
Pakistan’s get to lunch at about 50-2. Then tea around 125-4. Test peters out to draw around 175-5.
Bracewell to get eight wickets and win the test for us.
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@MajorRage said in NZ v Pakistan:
Major Rage prediction:
Pakistan’s get to lunch at about 50-2. Then tea around 125-4. Test peters out to draw around 175-5.
I agree, I expect us to fall short
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@canefan thirded unless we get a couple of unlikely early wickets, we fail to take the rest
Unless we try and pysch them out lol... Loved Ish's last wicket with a thousand players around the bat
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@bayimports said in NZ v Pakistan:
@canefan thirded unless we get a couple of unlikely early wickets, we fail to take the rest
Unless we try and pysch them out lol... Loved Ish's last wicket with a thousand players around the bat
Yeah get Wags to rough them up, oh wait....
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@Dan54 said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Damo Mate wasn't knocking the criticism, seemed bloody fair to me, just laughing at how they he then decides to get a decent knock at that stage, almost as if to say stuff you.
Hats of to Bracewell, it was a pretty handy innings and definitely needed with the top order not going too good and Mitchell being unwell.
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@Dan54 said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Damo Mate wasn't knocking the criticism, seemed bloody fair to me, just laughing at how they he then decides to get a decent knock at that stage, almost as if to say stuff you.
Yeah I was trying to motivate him by calling him a walking duck.
To be fair he did look clueless for his first half an hour then he got it together.
That takes courage and grit, which are often just as valuable as raw talent.
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@Damo said in NZ v Pakistan:
That takes courage and grit, which are often just as valuable as raw talent.
Damo is Justin Langer
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@MN5 said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
More back to our usual line up of 3-4 seamers and maybe a spinner who can bat?
The last few years we have played 4 quicks because we are producing pitches that seam heaps but don't take spin even on the last day.
So unless we find an allrounder Bat/spin option to bat 5 or 6 we may revert back to the 4 seamers.
I understand why we do prepare pitches like that,But it means we aren't producing any real world class spinners,Which considering of the 9 major test playing nations 4 of them are from the sub continent where you need a couple of decent spinners.We are going to be touring there more and more.
Even now producing the wickets we do at home there is a possibility we don't get results if teams get through day 1 as the pitches latter even out to be roads on day 4 and 5 after the moisture we put in the pitch has gone.
Sub continent pitches see little water in preparation so they are Roads early then break up or stay low at the end of the test.
But while we don't have World class spinners we will keep producing the seaming pitches as we want to win at home.But as I said earlier we might get more draws if teams are not rolled on day 1.By this are you talking Murali/Warne or Vettori class ? I suspect you mean the latter. Hoping for the former is absolutely dreaming, but even the latter looks a forlorn hope with what we’ve tried and discarded.
Warnie,murali are freak players I can't see us producing one to match them,But a couple of Vettori type players.
Lyons was average at State level and took a while to come right at Test Level.
Just have to try to uncover a couple with potential and stick with them but again that is down to the pitches at home.
Seriously even at Premier club level here you see a couple of spinners 1/2 dozen bats and quicks that would have the potential to succeed at higher levels who haven't made the step up as yet..
More in the Sydney comp,Melbourne and WA comps.And some decent spinners and bats in Adelaide.
I always try to hunt any out with a NZ connection to steer them home, easier said than done though. -
@Dan54 said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Damo Mate wasn't knocking the criticism, seemed bloody fair to me, just laughing at how they he then decides to get a decent knock at that stage, almost as if to say stuff you.
If that's what it takes to motivate him so be it. The guy can't bowl for toffee either. I bet he can't get a Michelle tonight....
