All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
That’s exactly it, he’s hardly played 10 so how can you call him a shithouse 10 when he’s barely played in that position in almost a year. Seems very logical.
My opinion is formed by whenever he's played 10, he's been sub standard which resulted in him being moved to fullback. Then Morgan came in and out performed him completely.
I've made this point before, but whenever both Love and Morgan have been in the same NZ age-group teams, it is always Morgan who has started at 1st 5. Love was on the wing for the NZ Schools team they both played in. I also believe that Love is a fullback.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Nepia I reckon all have a better ability to manage a game than Mounga and BB have the past year or so...that said, I don't doubt if they were given a bit tighter parameters with which to operate I think they could run things better.
Problem is we have 2 experienced players, probably given free licence to play how they see it, which is all well and good, but you also need some targets to hit, some lines to try stay inside as well.
Instinct is great but I think there is room in our game for some tighter structure too.
As much as I would love to see more of the skills a 10 can show, at present the game is almost NFL like in that you need a 10 to be able to tactically move pieces around the field through their influence in an attempt to break the opposition down.
For that you need vision, kicking from hand skills and be able to pt the ball through your hands hitting your next target very accurately. The programmed first couple of phases to try and manipulate can breakdown or backfire with inaccuracy.
RM and BB have always been very good opportunists and that isn't serving them well at the moment as the slight look for a chance delays the set move. That's a simplification of course but you see what I am getting at.As for others, there are no candidates that have AB10 or future AB10 on the back of their jerseys. There's a few that I'd like to see given a chance to run a game at a higher level so we can see what they can do (Sullivan, Kemara) and a handful that look like they could be competent but not excellent (the other names mentioned).
DMac is the obvious injury replacement and maybe it will take a Beaver moment for him to play a RWC but I agree that he isn't any more than a short term future until others come through. I think there was a missed opportunity on the eoyt to give hi a proper AB game as he is mature enough now to adjust to the level and requirements of the game. Of the three experienced 10s running at the moment he has the best vision and is the best passer IMO.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
maybe a light slap for Slade
he would be out for 4 weeks you monster
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@booboo said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@sparky said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Canes4life 15 is Reuben Love's best position.
I'm not disputing that, all I'm saying is that if the cupboard is bare I think Love could end up being a quality 10 aswell.
Not exactly high praise.
No not high praise , but quite a sensible post I thought. In a thread really just discussing possibilities.
no, it's an incredibly average post considering we are talking about the starting 10 for the ABs in like 18 months. Not maybe possibly playing for the Canes there at some point.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
For that you need vision, kicking from hand skills and be able to pt the ball through your hands hitting your next target very accurately. The programmed first couple of phases to try and manipulate can breakdown or backfire with inaccuracy
And guess what? That's not what makes a good Super Rugby 10. in fact that would get you looked down upon. You need to play off-the-cuff, heads up, play what you see footy and have a dynamite running game. You'll look a million bucks against average defensive systems. And then you'll play against an organised test side and look very ordinary.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
For that you need vision, kicking from hand skills and be able to pt the ball through your hands hitting your next target very accurately. The programmed first couple of phases to try and manipulate can breakdown or backfire with inaccuracy
And guess what? That's not what makes a good Super Rugby 10. in fact that would get you looked down upon. You need to play off-the-cuff, heads up, play what you see footy and have a dynamite running game. You'll look a million bucks against average defensive systems. And then you'll play against an organised test side and look very ordinary.
You still talking about 10’s or have you moved onto forwards?
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
For that you need vision, kicking from hand skills and be able to pt the ball through your hands hitting your next target very accurately. The programmed first couple of phases to try and manipulate can breakdown or backfire with inaccuracy
And guess what? That's not what makes a good Super Rugby 10. in fact that would get you looked down upon. You need to play off-the-cuff, heads up, play what you see footy and have a dynamite running game. You'll look a million bucks against average defensive systems. And then you'll play against an organised test side and look very ordinary.
You still talking about 10’s or have you moved onto forwards?
hitting rucks is for suckers. galivanting in midfield with the ball in one hand makes you a star
quick, someone make a youtube reel with a sick hip hop track
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@Chris said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
The interesting thing about that is both look like being gone post WC.
Beaudy I agree with but what makes you think Richie will move on? If Razor ends up taking the reins post WC, surely Richie is his number one man.
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@Canes4life Be very surprised if DMac is not the form No.10 next year provided he is injury free. Reliable goalkicker and his linking with Shaun Stevenson as seen in the game against Ireland A. Also be surprised if Shaun Stevenson is overlooked next year.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Canes4life Be very surprised if DMac is not the form No.10 next year provided he is injury free. Reliable goalkicker and his linking with Shaun Stevenson as seen in the game against Ireland A. Also be surprised if Shaun Stevenson is overlooked next year.
two things
If the Chiefs play DMac at 10 and SS on the wing because that is what they think is best use of resources then that plan is already dead in the water
And i would be very surprised if either forced their way in to the core group next year. I think the top 23 is nearly locked in except in place of injury.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Chris said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
The interesting thing about that is both look like being gone post WC.
Beaudy I agree with but what makes you think Richie will move on? If Razor ends up taking the reins post WC, surely Richie is his number one man.
I hear he has lined up a 2 year deal in Japan for 2024/25.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Canes4life Be very surprised if DMac is not the form No.10 next year provided he is injury free. Reliable goalkicker and his linking with Shaun Stevenson as seen in the game against Ireland A. Also be surprised if Shaun Stevenson is overlooked next year.
Maybe wait until Stevenson is an AB before listing that as a reason to pick DMac?
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@sparky said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Canes4life 15 is Reuben Love's best position.
I'm not disputing that, all I'm saying is that if the cupboard is bare I think Love could end up being a quality 10 aswell.
Well the cupboard is bare. Threadbare even, judging by the options offered in this thread.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@sparky said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Canes4life 15 is Reuben Love's best position.
I'm not disputing that, all I'm saying is that if the cupboard is bare I think Love could end up being a quality 10 aswell.
Well the cupboard is bare. Threadbare even, judging by the options offered in this thread.
Yeah, it's worrying that DMac aside there really isn't any decent options to choose from. Hopefully someone can shine over the next 18 months.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Chris said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
The interesting thing about that is both look like being gone post WC.
Beaudy I agree with but what makes you think Richie will move on? If Razor ends up taking the reins post WC, surely Richie is his number one man.
I hear he has lined up a 2 year deal in Japan for 2024/25.
Unless Razor can convince him otherwise but he would have to be confirmed as coach before that happens.RMo has made it clear his and family's future is overseas after WC. I will be surprised if he hasn't got deal signed before WC next year, as he not quite good enough to be a real star at the tournament . In saying that I would love him to prove me wrong.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Chris said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Chris said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
The interesting thing about that is both look like being gone post WC.
Beaudy I agree with but what makes you think Richie will move on? If Razor ends up taking the reins post WC, surely Richie is his number one man.
I hear he has lined up a 2 year deal in Japan for 2024/25.
Unless Razor can convince him otherwise but he would have to be confirmed as coach before that happens.RMo has made it clear his and family's future is overseas after WC. I will be surprised if he hasn't got deal signed before WC next year, as he not quite good enough to be a real star at the tournament . In saying that I would love him to prove me wrong.
He is close to signing now so I hear.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@sparky said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Canes4life 15 is Reuben Love's best position.
I'm not disputing that, all I'm saying is that if the cupboard is bare I think Love could end up being a quality 10 aswell.
Well the cupboard is bare. Threadbare even, judging by the options offered in this thread.
Yeah, it's worrying that DMac aside there really isn't any decent options to choose from. Hopefully someone can shine over the next 18 months.
I think we may see a couple came through, I always remember when everyone was saying there were no new 10s coming through a few years abck, and a nephew of mine said stuff em all Uncle, Aaron Cruden a young fella at my club will be bloody good as! So I always since then have remained hopeful/confident cupboard not as bare as we panic about. Say the same before Sam W and Brodie R came on scene at lock there was a lot of gloom.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 10 after BB & RM finish?:
@Dan54 What about Halford, he was being described as Carter like in a performance for Canterbury at NPC level. Didn't see much more from him, did he get a Super contract?
If we don't know enough to have disagreements about a players abilities he is unlikely to get a mention.
Of course if the Cantab posters start blowing smoke up his arse we will be all in to offer uneducated opinions. This is the way.
