FIFA World Cup 2022
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@Kiwiwomble said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@broughie said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Hate penalty shootouts. Should play the game like hockey. Play until there is a winner.
ice hockey? that goes to a shootout after OT
Not in the playoffs. They keep playing until a goal is scored. Regular season 5 minute 3 v3 then shoot out if no goal.
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@Kiwiwomble FYI The most recent extended playoff OT was 5 in 2020, Tampa Bay vs Columbus, which is 160 minutes of Hockey.
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Football used to have golden goal, but that wasn't popular, and still went to pens if neither team scored.
Some playoff games could potentially go on forever if there weren't pens (although I guess not knowing that pens are coming changes the dynamic).
Penalty shootouts seem to be in that category of ideas every agrees is terrible but no one can come up with anything better.
What about if after ET the side that had the most
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@No-Quarter said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@MajorRage said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@No-Quarter said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@MajorRage said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Superb tournament in the end.
They aren’t without issue but they way Qatar completely ignored all the virtue signaling bullshit and dealt harshly with the actual activists is a lesson to us all.
Are you serious? Not without issue? The human rights issues in Qatar are extremely serious and calling them out on that is absolutely not virtue signaling. Absolutely insane they placed a WC there.
Read it again and this time have a think without flying off the handle.
The "without issue" part felt like you were playing down their atrocious human rights abuses a bit. I'll admit I don't have the context of your comment about shutting down the virtue signalers though, as I really haven't followed this WC at all. I think holding the tournament there summed up everything that is wrong with the world today. To hell with human rights if there's money involved - that applies to western countries too.
To be honest, I originally wrote that without the first 5 words but then changed it as I didn't want to make trivial of the actual issues there are. That wasn't the point of the post.
The point was the way they dealt with them which I thought was spot on. It seems the opposite is applied to activists these days and it drives me nuts. I generally believe in most activists, but I don't believe they should be exempt from the rule of law.
I'm a bit different to most on my views with Qatar. They have their ways of running it based on their own thoughts and I respect that. And is it "The Wests" right to say their way is wrong? Not sure. Reality is though, that if we, or activists believe that to be the case, then the issue should be with FIFA, not so much Qatar. Which means we aren't far off aligned on our view here.
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@MajorRage said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Economy???
I would say one whole plane containing 25 players and the coaching staff…
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@Crucial said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
No mention on here of the 'France was robbed' missed call on the Argies having their subs on the pitch when a goal was scored (changeover not done properly).
It had no material effect as they were just over-excited thinking a goal had been scored just before it was. Overall too much laxity in allowing subs to run on the field to celebrate goals etc, and not booking anyone who runs on for any reason.
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@KiwiPie said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@Crucial said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
No mention on here of the 'France was robbed' missed call on the Argies having their subs on the pitch when a goal was scored (changeover not done properly).
It had no material effect as they were just over-excited thinking a goal had been scored just before it was. Overall too much laxity in allowing subs to run on the field to celebrate goals etc, and not booking anyone who runs on for any reason.
I really don't know how it works but articles I read say that there isn't latitude for materiality, hence the complaint.
In fact I saw the opposite quoted which was that if extra players are on the field for whatever reason when a goal is scored then the goal gets scrubbed. If that is the case (and it seems very heavy handed to me) then I can see why French fans would be annoyed. -
@Crucial The French fans could be annoyed but they'd be hypocrites. Same as they might moan about the Agie keepers shithousery but would be delighted if Lloris had done it.
I haven't really seen much sour grapes from the French. They were outplayed for 80 minutes, came back into it and then were relatively lethargic in extra time - until the mad end.
I don't get all the 'its the greatest final ever" talk.
France were awful. Argentina did what they had to then sat back. France got a goal, suddenly thought we've been outplayed here but shit we could still nick it, got the equaliser and then went back to sleep. I wonder how much the virus took out of them? It was an OK game but not fantastic.
Argies just about deserved to win, but aren't a great side. France however are building some depth and quality. Even with Benzema's retirement
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@dogmeat said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Argies just about deserved to win, but aren't a great side. France however are building some depth and quality. Even with Benzema's retirement
I was thinking the same. Once Messi goes this Argentinean team looks average. They are workmanlike but don't have the quality in certain areas of the pitch to have sustained success. Relying on Lautaro Martínez to score you goals wouldn't fill me with confidence.
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fuck yes, current Copa America and World Cup champions, average as fuck
this forum, seriously...
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Basically every Argentina game (other than the first one against the Saudi's) followed that same pattern. They did the job early, got out to a 2-0 lead (literally every game apart from Saudi Arabia they lead 2-0 at some point) and then sat back. The Dutch and the French were good enough to capitalize late and force penalties, everyone else was seen off.
If you line up their players one for one with the other squads they might not be the best, but they were the best performing team across the whole tournament for my money.
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@dogmeat The "greatest final ever" refers to the drama and the storylines rather than the quality of the football. I can't remember a game where there was so much drama just in the stoppage times (both at full time and at the end of extra time). If there was a better final for drama, which one was it?
And for that matter, how many great sides have won the World Cup? Brazil 1970 maybe?
Argentina have had more star studded teams in the past but this one played as a team and had some really hard workers (De Paul, Enzo etc) who were able to give Messi that free role that he needs.
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Eurosport Team of the Tournament - posted to spark debate. Alternative names are those found in the Sports Illustrated and Sky Sports UK XIs so Gvardiol, Amrabat, Mbappe & Messi are in all 4 XIs.
Martinez (Arg) - Livakovic (Arg)
Hakimi (Mor) - Juranovic (Cro)
Romero (Arg) - Saiss (Mor) - Maguire (Eng)
Gvardiol (Cro)
Shaw (Eng) - Mazraoui (Mor) - Acuna (Arg)Modric (Cro) - Casemiro (Bra) - Ounahi (Mor)
Amrabat (Mor)
Griezmann (Fra) - Enzo Fernandez (Arg)Saka (Eng) - Alvarez (Arg) - Giroud (Fra)
Mbappe (Fra)
Messi (Arg)
