All Blacks 2022
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Race for the second and third halfback spots up for grabs next year with TJ injuring his Achilles and out for 9 months. At this stage outside of Weber & Christie, neither who set the world on fire in any of their chances in the All Blacks this year, you would have to say that both Cam Roigard & Cortez Ratima are also in the running. I'd also pretty much rule out Fakatava with his injury even though he isn't having surgery.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyone else reminded of the Blues first round loss to the Hurricanes this year? Played the game at very high speed, blitzed the opposition frequently on attack, dominant clean out and ball carrying, but ran out of gas and conceded about 20 points in the last 10 minutes. Also used subs late and all at once ...
Hope we are building to the kind of performances Schmidt got out of the Blues this year.
The problem with that is we used to always win that way as we were fitter.
But now teams can cope with that fast game and are finishing over the top of us.
I think we need more than that to our game plan.A ten that can control a game, for example. The fact that RM can't do that with the arm chair ride he got for 65mins is pretty damning.
Yeah although no armchair ride in the last 10 when we lost it.
You could also point to Reikos neck roll cost us 7 points and the game or Jordies missed conversion .
My point is his poor performances are often laid at the feet of a struggling forward pack. We were dominating England so hard up front they chickened out of a scrum and took a lineout.
Under minimal pressure he missed touch twice from penalty touch finders, and didn't allow us to turn that pressure into field position and potentially more points. If he can't do it with front foot ball, then of course he can't went things aren't going our way.
Someone made a very funny point to me, we might as well have played RTS at 10, because all RM did was run straight and sidestep people to get over the advantage line. The rest of flyhalf game was truely terrible.
Big problem then because BB sure can’t do it.
D Mac is flakey and is prone to major brain fades and runs across field.
Perefeta maybe but he needs to move SR teams as he won’t get a chance at 10 for the Blues,Leaves Gatland who can kick us around the park.
Dmac = RM interms of flakiness, but better kicking out of the hand and a better passing game. IMO it's worth taking a look at him since he has the same flaws as RM but potentially has the skillset needed for Test Rugby.
How many failures from RM should we put up with? And seriously, defending RM by pointing out flaws of other players, or mistakes other have made doesn't make RM better.
As for Perofeta, he'll have his chances at 10 I'm sure. Particularly if BB now has to focus on fullback, Leon may decide to stick with that at Super level too. Like with the Crusaders, some AB careers are on the line depending on where they get played next year.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
As for Perofeta, he'll have his chances at 10 I'm sure. Particularly if BB now has to focus on fullback, Leon may decide to stick with that at Super level too. Like with the Crusaders, some AB careers are on the line depending on where they get played next year
you know what, i doubt that. It's never been a problem for the selectors before, even if it seriously looks to be bad for the AB team.
If we get BB playing 10 at the Blues, and JB playing 15 at the Canes, and a few other funny ones, they'll still make the ABs but it will take them longer to get back up to speed in the test spots.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyone else reminded of the Blues first round loss to the Hurricanes this year? Played the game at very high speed, blitzed the opposition frequently on attack, dominant clean out and ball carrying, but ran out of gas and conceded about 20 points in the last 10 minutes. Also used subs late and all at once ...
Hope we are building to the kind of performances Schmidt got out of the Blues this year.
The problem with that is we used to always win that way as we were fitter.
But now teams can cope with that fast game and are finishing over the top of us.
I think we need more than that to our game plan.A ten that can control a game, for example. The fact that RM can't do that with the arm chair ride he got for 65mins is pretty damning.
Yeah although no armchair ride in the last 10 when we lost it.
You could also point to Reikos neck roll cost us 7 points and the game or Jordies missed conversion .
My point is his poor performances are often laid at the feet of a struggling forward pack. We were dominating England so hard up front they chickened out of a scrum and took a lineout.
Under minimal pressure he missed touch twice from penalty touch finders, and didn't allow us to turn that pressure into field position and potentially more points. If he can't do it with front foot ball, then of course he can't went things aren't going our way.
Someone made a very funny point to me, we might as well have played RTS at 10, because all RM did was run straight and sidestep people to get over the advantage line. The rest of flyhalf game was truely terrible.
Big problem then because BB sure can’t do it.
D Mac is flakey and is prone to major brain fades and runs across field.
Perefeta maybe but he needs to move SR teams as he won’t get a chance at 10 for the Blues,Leaves Gatland who can kick us around the park.
Dmac = RM interms of flakiness, but better kicking out of the hand and a better passing game. IMO it's worth taking a look at him since he has the same flaws as RM but potentially has the skillset needed for Test Rugby.
How many failures from RM should we put up with? And seriously, defending RM by pointing out flaws of other players, or mistakes other have made doesn't make RM better.
As for Perofeta, he'll have his chances at 10 I'm sure. Particularly if BB now has to focus on fullback, Leon may decide to stick with that at Super level too. Like with the Crusaders, some AB careers are on the line depending on where they get played next year.
Not defending anyone to be honest just discussing whatever options are out there.
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@Kirwan but Dmac probably has same issues as Perofeta, does he get regular gametime at 10 in super rugby?
As many have been banging on about, our coaches have alot of thier eggs in a basket...what is the plan for ABs in super next year, as I expect many will be cotton wooled, which is good for the likes of Whitelock, Retallick, Smith, but others seem to thrive off regular play, not less.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan but Dmac probably has same issues as Perofeta, does he get regular gametime at 10 in super rugby?
As many have been banging on about, our coaches have alot of thier eggs in a basket...what is the plan for ABs in super next year, as I expect many will be cotton wooled, which is good for the likes of Whitelock, Retallick, Smith, but others seem to thrive off regular play, not less.
That's what I mean, DMac and Perofeta need to play at ten to help the ABs. Similar situation for MMT and Grace, they need to play 6 instead of 8. ALB at 12.
Probably won't happen for all of them though as it doesn't help the franchise.
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I'm jumping on the DMac bandwagon which is being headed by @Crucial. Mostly because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. That said I think 10 has suited him well when I've seen him there, he's played much more within himself while still being a real threat with ball in hand. At FB he seems to try and turn every kick return into a try which leads to errors.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm jumping on the DMac bandwagon which is being headed by @Crucial. Mostly because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. That said I think 10 has suited him well when I've seen him there, he's played much more within himself while still being a real threat with ball in hand. At FB he seems to try and turn every kick return into a try which leads to errors.
This would be nice to see for the ABs
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. .
Just for a refresher - goal kicking flakey at times, game management suffers due to running the ball too often instead of kicking, runs sideways across the field away from his support too often.
But excellent from broken field play, runs good lines, constantly challenges the defensive line and has a great boot when he decides to use it.
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do RM and BB just not work well together, both trying to run the game? less than the sum of their parts? I was reading DC was saying in an interview that it was clear to him BB was running the show from the back, is that throwing RM off
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@Kiwiwomble That's one of the reasons why I'm very keen to see Jordan at fullback for the ABs.
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@Stargazer yeah, i cant guarantee it would fix things, i know some people dont like the idea...but i would have liked to see it
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm jumping on the DMac bandwagon which is being headed by @Crucial. Mostly because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. That said I think 10 has suited him well when I've seen him there, he's played much more within himself while still being a real threat with ball in hand. At FB he seems to try and turn every kick return into a try which leads to errors.
This would be nice to see for the ABs
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. .
Just for a refresher - goal kicking flakey at times, game management suffers due to running the ball too often instead of kicking, runs sideways across the field away from his support too often.
But excellent from broken field play, runs good lines, constantly challenges the defensive line and has a great boot when he decides to use it.
Geez it is hard to shake off the past isn't it? I'm not saying that Dmac is no longer a rocks and diamonds player but only those that haven't been watching since just before he went to Japan would ignore his distribution and eye for space (whether by hand, foot or run).
I still think that he is the best 10 in the country at putting the ball onto a runners chest and through a hole. He is always looking to place the ball right where it is needed. Of course some tactical kicks don't come off but at least he sees where it should go.
Robust as all hell but size is still an issue at the very top level if targeted. -
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
do RM and BB just not work well together, both trying to run the game? less than the sum of their parts? I was reading DC was saying in an interview that it was clear to him BB was running the show from the back, is that throwing RM off
It was in the past, but definitely not this season. Beauden barely featured against England, no way you can say he was running the show.
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@No-Quarter thats what i thought, largely invisible apart from his card, but DC said otherwise apparently and happy to say he knows more about it than i do
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm jumping on the DMac bandwagon which is being headed by @Crucial. Mostly because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. That said I think 10 has suited him well when I've seen him there, he's played much more within himself while still being a real threat with ball in hand. At FB he seems to try and turn every kick return into a try which leads to errors.
This would be nice to see for the ABs
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. .
Just for a refresher - goal kicking flakey at times, game management suffers due to running the ball too often instead of kicking, runs sideways across the field away from his support too often.
But excellent from broken field play, runs good lines, constantly challenges the defensive line and has a great boot when he decides to use it.
Geez it is hard to shake off the past isn't it? I'm not saying that Dmac is no longer a rocks and diamonds player but only those that haven't been watching since just before he went to Japan would ignore his distribution and eye for space (whether by hand, foot or run).
I still think that he is the best 10 in the country at putting the ball onto a runners chest and through a hole. He is always looking to place the ball right where it is needed. Of course some tactical kicks don't come off but at least he sees where it should go.
Robust as all hell but size is still an issue at the very top level if targeted.Hey I'm coming around to your line of thinking, embrace it! I agree with all you said there, I hope he gets plenty of time at 10 in Super rugby and pushes his case
Edit - whoops I thought you quoted my original post
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial So I bought up 8 points in regards to his play - but because I didn't include 1 point you feel should be in there your going to rubbish the entire post.
Delightful...
Touchy.
I didn't rubbish your entire post at all. However I do think some of your points are bit dated.
Running sideways does still happen but not as much as it used to and it isn't away from support it is buying time and looking for a hole. When you are a little fella the last thing you want is to get caught where there isn't support so sometimes you take a step back and dodge until you know someone is ready behind you. 2017, 2018 yep he still used to try to go by himself too much.
As for running too often instead of kicking, I'm not sure where you are coming from on that unless again you are picturing years ago when he had licence to have a crack from the back (often to great effect). At 10 he mixes up his kicking game a lot keeping defences on their toes. -
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm jumping on the DMac bandwagon which is being headed by @Crucial. Mostly because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. That said I think 10 has suited him well when I've seen him there, he's played much more within himself while still being a real threat with ball in hand. At FB he seems to try and turn every kick return into a try which leads to errors.
This would be nice to see for the ABs
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. .
Just for a refresher - goal kicking flakey at times, game management suffers due to running the ball too often instead of kicking, runs sideways across the field away from his support too often.
But excellent from broken field play, runs good lines, constantly challenges the defensive line and has a great boot when he decides to use it.
Geez it is hard to shake off the past isn't it? I'm not saying that Dmac is no longer a rocks and diamonds player but only those that haven't been watching since just before he went to Japan would ignore his distribution and eye for space (whether by hand, foot or run).
I still think that he is the best 10 in the country at putting the ball onto a runners chest and through a hole. He is always looking to place the ball right where it is needed. Of course some tactical kicks don't come off but at least he sees where it should go.
Robust as all hell but size is still an issue at the very top level if targeted.Hey I'm coming around to your line of thinking, embrace it! I agree with all you said there, I hope he gets plenty of time at 10 in Super rugby and pushes his case
Edit - whoops I thought you quoted my original post
I mixed up two quoted posts. Yours was to illustrate my point about distribution.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
You crack me up Stargazer. You're like Mark Nicholas, the Englishman that absolutely loves all things Aussie cricket. Or Stephen Jones and his love of English rugby. You're not from Christchurch, but your bedroom is decked out in red and black flags with life sized posters of Richie Mo'unga and David Havili on the wall.
Wouldn't the Riche poster be hiding in the back and the Havili souvenir more likely be a paper folder?
