What is Good for Women's Rugby
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EDIT ... Interesting article, but given it a seperate thread.
Thought I’d start a match thread so we don’t keep using the last one.
Interesting perspective here. I don’t agree with the idea that we should lose to spite NZR. My take is that winning will give them more power to say if you want this again in 3 years then pull finger.
Why it's better for the game if the Black Ferns don't win the World Cup
Surely no other team has dominated a sport quite like the Black Ferns have for so long, with such poor backing from those who run the game in their own country - a team so good, they achieve despite not because of the help they receive.
I do agree with the comments about NZR though.
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@Bovidae said in Black Ferns v England - RWC Final:
The author works for Sport England, so no bias in that article.
The team also isn't going to have Smith and his contacts post-RWC, so NZR will have to put in the resources if the Black Ferns want to keep the momentum going.
It would be total incompetence of NZR levels to not take full advantage of what is happening right now and that should include more support at FPC, pathway and development support earmarked to unions, a proper Super including some form of crossover with Oz and Fiji.
WR have already announced a new world regional comp which should provide more tests. That will need lots of backing
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@Crucial Yep, I agree with you! A win will show them what good support of the BFs and women's rugby can achieve! And it benefits all NZ rugby if they win. I think they're really inspiring young kids, girls and boys, to pick up a rugby ball and start playing the game.
It's NZR though. We all know that SR Aupiki is not good enough as a high level comp in its current format. It should at least be a full home and away comp + a final (and 3rd place play-off), with players being paid enough to enable them to participate for a longer period than 3-4 weeks. Currently, there are players who have to see 'no' to SR Aupiki because they can't risk losing their jobs. They need more financial security. The BFs have their own sponsors; maybe use the BFs success (whether they win the Final, or not) to find a few more sponsors for SR Aupiki so they can pay players more than the bare minimum to survive for 3-4 weeks.
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BTW, like mentioned in that article, click on the interview with Robinson after the review and listen to him squirm like a worm on a hook.
The guy is a major problem IMO. Talks the corporate shite enough that he fools the board but is actually really incompetent and can't admit failings except as a cursory 'we got some stuff wrong'.
For those that can't be bothered listening he keeps saying the 'we fully accept the findings' yet when pushed on individual aspects says there's nothing to see. He is so hypocritical in the overall approach.
Tangles himself in knots to avoid saying the words apology or sorry as well.And that was all a precursor to the debacles with the ABs/Foster.
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@Stargazer said in Black Ferns v England - RWC Final:
@Crucial Yep, I agree with you! A win will show them what good support of the BFs and women's rugby can achieve! And it benefits all NZ rugby if they win. I think they're really inspiring young kids, girls and boys, to pick up a rugby ball and start playing the game.
It's NZR though. We all know that SR Aupiki is not good enough as a high level comp in its current format. It should at least be a full home and away comp + a final (and 3rd place play-off), with players being paid enough to enable them to participate for a longer period than 3-4 weeks. Currently, there are players who have to see 'no' to SR Aupiki because they can't risk losing their jobs. They need more financial security. The BFs have their own sponsors; maybe use the BFs success (whether they win the Final, or not) to find a few more sponsors for SR Aupiki so they can pay players more than the bare minimum to survive for 3-4 weeks.
They should be resourced by NZR no matter how much revenue they bring in. Sometimes it's not just about money, it's for the good of the game
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@Crucial said in Black Ferns v England - RWC Final:
BTW, like mentioned in that article, click on the interview with Robinson after the review and listen to him squirm like a worm on a hook.
The guy is a major problem IMO. Talks the corporate shite enough that he fools the board but is actually really incompetent and can't admit failings except as a cursory 'we got some stuff wrong'.
For those that can't be bothered listening he keeps saying the 'we fully accept the findings' yet when pushed on individual aspects says there's nothing to see. He is so hypocritical in the overall approach.
Tangles himself in knots to avoid saying the words apology or sorry as well.And that was all a precursor to the debacles with the ABs/Foster.
Average AB, average CEO at best
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Has anyone seen any reaction from NZR over this win? Lots of SM posts doing the rounds and apart from bog standard corporate style congrats `i haven't seen a thing.
The comms last night pointedly called out Mark Robinson to get behind things as quite a dig.Good old NZR at risk of missing the boat again.
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@booboo said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Crucial said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Has anyone seen any reaction from NZR over this win? Lots of SM posts doing the rounds and apart from bog standard corporate style congrats `i haven't seen a thing.
The comms last night pointedly called out Mark Robinson to get behind things as quite a dig.Good old NZR at risk of missing the boat again.
What are you expecting?
Announce a fully planned, fully funded full time professional comp?
Pretty much all they can do at the moment is "yay".
Yep, I not sure what the expectations are. Robinson has already talked of trying to get a women Lions (Lionesses?) tour arganised. But unless you want a whole lot of half baked ideas thrown in media, just let it play itself out and see what can be organised. Funnily enough almost all thei support has suddenly appeared over the last couple of months, and I will almost bet if we had lost to France last week there would of been hardly any chat about how to take the women's game to new level etc. As fans we pretty fickle and even after xmas I will bet a lot of the hype will drift off a bit,and although there will be more interest a lot will drift back to the lated thing they have 'always' been fans of.
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@Dan54 said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@booboo said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Crucial said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Has anyone seen any reaction from NZR over this win? Lots of SM posts doing the rounds and apart from bog standard corporate style congrats `i haven't seen a thing.
The comms last night pointedly called out Mark Robinson to get behind things as quite a dig.Good old NZR at risk of missing the boat again.
What are you expecting?
Announce a fully planned, fully funded full time professional comp?
Pretty much all they can do at the moment is "yay".
Yep, I not sure what the expectations are. Robinson has already talked of trying to get a women Lions (Lionesses?) tour arganised. But unless you want a whole lot of half baked ideas thrown in media, just let it play itself out and see what can be organised. Funnily enough almost all thei support has suddenly appeared over the last couple of months, and I will almost bet if we had lost to France last week there would of been hardly any chat about how to take the women's game to new level etc. As fans we pretty fickle and even after xmas I will bet a lot of the hype will drift off a bit,and although there will be more interest a lot will drift back to the lated thing they have 'always' been fans of.
I was maybe just thinking something like a congrats from CEO or Board might be in order. Have heard nothing.
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@taniwharugby said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Dan54 said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
half baked ideas
seems right up Robinsons alley!
Well I was thinking about Hamish McLennan in OZ with his Anzac idea etc, with seeminly a 30 second mention at end of a meeting. lol
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@Crucial said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
The commitment needs to be to the generation inspired by this that funding and pathways will be improved.
Yep exactly, it's the kids that take up the game from here are the ones we need to be investing in, and to be fair NZR have always been good at putting recourses into the young ones in my experience.
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Moved this discussion to here so as not to despoil the match thread and the good feels therein.
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@Stargazer said in Interesting Article - Why It's Bad for the BF To Lose:
Mark reads the Fern, too!
Off course he does, as do all the coaches of ABs, super and NPC teams, how else are they going to learn?? lol
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@Stargazer said in Interesting Article - Why It's Bad for the BF To Lose:
Mark reads the Fern, too!
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