Japan v All Blacks
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@nzzp said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
Maybe im in bad form, Im not sure. 37 years old and losing my love for it.
thread disruption, but I'm with @Steve in losing my passion for the game. The top level is plain ugly - refs standing around looking at big screens, poor TMO decisions, random cards for head contact and a judiciary lottery. There's some good stuff going on at times, but damned if it isn't hard watching.
the big concern is how do you attract new people to the sport? It's not accessible, and even seasoned watchers start wondering about interpretation changes they missed with the refereeing.
Defence is our achilles heel, and conceding stupid red cards.
Aki put Ofa out for a few weeks during the Irish series with a clean out that wasn't even looked at and lead to an Irish try. Then we have Retallick today getting a red and later on Glen Young getting a yellow for essentially identical offences : illegal head contact.
Pearce started to talk about bicep contact instead of shoulder contact...I have never heard that criteria mentioned before EVER. Are swinging arms ok now by that standard? Similar to Porter/Barnes and the "absorbing" tackle rhetoric...and Reynal blowing Foley for the first time wasting penalty I have ever seen in my 30 years watching the game.
We are supposed to watch this and nod along thinking this is all kosher? Its wheel of fortune.
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@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@nzzp said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
Maybe im in bad form, Im not sure. 37 years old and losing my love for it.
thread disruption, but I'm with @Steve in losing my passion for the game. The top level is plain ugly - refs standing around looking at big screens, poor TMO decisions, random cards for head contact and a judiciary lottery. There's some good stuff going on at times, but damned if it isn't hard watching.
the big concern is how do you attract new people to the sport? It's not accessible, and even seasoned watchers start wondering about interpretation changes they missed with the refereeing.
Defence is our achilles heel, and conceding stupid red cards.
Imagine explaining whats going on in todays games to your ten year old brother etc....The game has disappeared up its own arse. "mitigation, laws, learnings, escorting". The language around the game is middle class, corporate jargon.
The great thing about soccer is you can put down 4 jumpers and play with your mates.
Rugby ,at the professional level is a different sport to that of what I played as a teenager. It's night and day.
Tag rugby or 7's is more reflective of whats fun to play.
I wouldn't want to play the current version if I was a young fella now.......
Get on the BFs bus while it’s running. Still has physicality but also players using sharp passing and endeavour works to get tries. Players also enjoy themselves with infectious enthusiasm.
Yes, if you want to be a misery guts you can critique the “perfection “ levels all game long but best to just cheer along.
Go to an ABs match and the crowd spend all their time yelling at the refs or groaning at mistakes.
What I saw at the BFs was families enjoying a night out cheering and laughing and being part of the ups and downs of a sports contest.
Professionalism will probably ruin the women’s game too over time. England already act like the miserable fucks that the ABs are. I am hoping that the environment can remain more like Sevens has. -
@MiketheSnow said in Japan v All Blacks:
@nzzp said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
Maybe im in bad form, Im not sure. 37 years old and losing my love for it.
Defence is our achilles heel, and conceding stupid red cards.
Blame the man (& coach) not the game
Foster Must Go.
But the game also feels a lot harder to watch and support tahn it did a few years ago
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@nzzp said in Japan v All Blacks:
@MiketheSnow said in Japan v All Blacks:
@nzzp said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
Maybe im in bad form, Im not sure. 37 years old and losing my love for it.
Defence is our achilles heel, and conceding stupid red cards.
Blame the man (& coach) not the game
Foster Must Go.
But the game also feels a lot harder to watch and support tahn it did a few years ago
Im a single man in my 30's , at my commercial peak for paying subscriptions, buying tickets, jerseys etc and I am losing interest rapidly. They are losing me to the game. Historically I bought every jersey, went on tours, and would miss my grannies funeral to watch a game. I planned all my annual leave around games. Today I stayed in bed.
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@nzzp said in Japan v All Blacks:
Defence is our achilles heel, and conceding stupid red cards.
those things are very much linked imo (for us at least)
I'm with you guys, I have missed more AB games in the past 3 years than I had the previous, well ever, and 2 games this year I bailed at half time.
I remember getting up in the small hours to watch, now, I won't even watch a full replay, I will just watch try highlights.
How many red cards were there in npc this year? I recall a couple but they were clear reds, not ones for accidental contacts.
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All the "chahooooing" and head patting the opposition when they make a mistake too.
Rancid stuff. And all teams are at it.
Too much dilution of tribalism too. Teams being coached by foreigners.
Foreigners playing for other nations. The British Lions being coached by a foreigner.
Isaac Boss on the breakdown lapping up an Irish win. Bundee Aki getting the Irish to do a pacific Island style post match huddle chant.
Its all just perverse to me.
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I’m probably a bit different in that I never had rugby on a pedestal above all other sports anyway even though I still loved it .
But the Allblacks are my favourite sporting team.
My enthusiasm is not where it’s been in the past, but I’m hoping that s something that comes and goes depending on how much pleasure it provides , and it’s been a mixed bag the last few years .
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@mariner4life said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Stargazer nah man. I was entertained. Didn't think we were as bad as it's being painted, and thought Japan played as well as I have ever seen them play.
Good game.
And we scored some cool tries. Reece's was thr best AB set.move I've seen in years. Sotutus was the end of some power running. Ennors had some sick passing. Even Retallicks had a sweet variation on the ubiquitous wrap around.
Might even say the coaching was working
If you are entertained by watching locks try to throw left-handed wraparound offloads in the tackle, may I present to you the NZ Warriors!!!
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@broughie I'm not sure that's quite what he saying.
I think it is perfectly fine to watch sports to make you happy, and therefore if the game you love is no longer the game you love, it is OK to not be happy with it...but if it makes you unhappy to watch, that's different.
I still enjoy watching club rugby and npc, but something is not quite right at the top, sure playing shit ain't helping.
I don't watch the ABs as much now cos I don't get the enjoyment any more, but I still get it watching lower levels.
So my love of the game is still there, but my love of the ABs has diminished considerably.
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@Frye said in Japan v All Blacks:
Japan were superb. There were some defensive lapses from the ABs but otherwise I think the performance was a pass.
Is there any chance Retallick is back for England?
Yes,
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if they can prove via different video angles that first contact wasn't with the head or neck. I think this is unlikely.
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if he qualifies for the head contact coaching intervention (I think he does, however ridiculous it is for a player with his experience). If found guilty, under Reg 9.20 he will probably get a suspension of at least 3 weeks (reduced from 6 weeks). Minus a week for that coaching intervention, that would be 2 weeks (Wales and Scotland).
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@taniwharugby said in Japan v All Blacks:
@broughie I'm not sure that's quite what he saying.
I still enjoy watching club rugby and npc, but something is not quite right at the top, sure playing shit ain't helping.
I don't watch the ABs cos I don't get the enjoyment any more, but I still get it watching lower levels.
So my love of the game is still there, but my love of the ABs has diminished considerably.
Yeah im not on the cliff edge.....I just cant unsee what they are trying to convince me not to see.
The game is in the toilet. NPC does be decent enough, or at least it was in the last few years.
I feel we have been in a rapid decline as a sport since 2015. Arguable the rot started before that.
Look at the last Lions tour. All the marketing. All the hype. For nought. It was a clinic in shithousery which resulted in a coach getting banned for a few months. Ball never in play. Lads feigning injury and tying their laces. And it is sold to us as the pinnacle of the sport. Fuck off out of that.
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@taniwharugby said in Japan v All Blacks:
@broughie I'm not sure that's quite what he saying.
I think it is perfectly fine to watch sports to make you happy, and therefore if the game you love is no longer the game you love, it is OK to not be happy with it...but if it makes you unhappy to watch, that's different.
I still enjoy watching club rugby and npc, but something is not quite right at the top, sure playing shit ain't helping.
I don't watch the ABs as much now cos I don't get the enjoyment any more, but I still get it watching lower levels.
So my love of the game is still there, but my love of the ABs has diminished considerably.
Funny mate, I not quite as excited over test rugby as I am over NPC or club rugby. I am no less an All Blacks fan, have always been and will always be a one eyed supporter, the problem with test rugby (and Super up to a point) is the game has gone too professional I think, we spend too much time looking at replays from TMOs,, the players are becoming almost robot like in that the game/teams seems to be studied to the minuteth detail (even how players kick and where to hold hands for charge down) and we not seeing the indivudual skill levels that I believe we did in the late 90s-early 2000s when we seemed to watch wonderful flowing games attest level.
I say same about most test rugby , there are some great players around, but they just don't seem to be able to use skills etc way tests are played, it's all about suffocating dfence etc. -
I’ve always seen a few things in rugby that make it a bit painful to watch at times , pedantic refs , stop start nature of the game etc , the cards now are my pet hate .
But for me , when my team is going really well, those things are more likely to get pushed into the background, and the joy of winning provides a high .
Here in Melbourne where afl is king , in conversation you will quite often hear people say not a big fan of the game anymore for reasons a , b or c . When you scratch a bit deeper , their team is nearly always completely out of contention.
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@Stargazer said in Japan v All Blacks:
“Meaningless test”, doesn’t look like it!
I’d be interested in what some of the players thoughts were of the atmosphere and crowd. Through the TV at least it looked amazing and certainly lifted the Japanese. The roar when Tatafu made a charge at the line or when Dearns broke through was huge.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Stargazer said in Japan v All Blacks:
“Meaningless test”, doesn’t look like it!
I’d be interested in what some of the players thoughts were of the atmosphere and crowd. Through the TV at least it looked amazing and certainly lifted the Japanese. The roar when Tatafu made a charge at the line or when Dearns broke through was huge.
Dearns? Is that the Kiwi kid, son of ex-SF great Tania?
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@ACT-Crusader said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Stargazer said in Japan v All Blacks:
“Meaningless test”, doesn’t look like it!
I’d be interested in what some of the players thoughts were of the atmosphere and crowd. Through the TV at least it looked amazing and certainly lifted the Japanese. The roar when Tatafu made a charge at the line or when Dearns broke through was huge.
Those two players don't sound Japanese...
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@Mr-Fish said in Japan v All Blacks:
Interesting reading all the comments about Japan's relative standing in the game at present.
This Brave Blossoms side is currently not as good as the team that All Blacks belted in 2018 (with a junior squad) and likely won't make it out of their pool at next year's World Cup.
So I do think that it's a bit optimistic (for Kiwi supporters) to write off the poor performance as a product of facing a good Japan side. Sure, they tackled their hearts out - but a half decent NZ side should still have the won this match at a canter.
If the ABs have had played this poorly and won against SA, Australia etc, we'd be labelling this as an embarrassing game for the ABs. But instead we say Japan are no easy beats anymore and we should expect results like this going forward. This was a very poor test for the ABs as a team and should be labeled as such.
