England to whitewash Australia
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<p>I'm happy to kick that can down the road. If Eddie can deliver a big Autumn series and a second 6N (by no means a given), a big group of battle hardened English will get to test themselves in NZ with the Lions. Then, but not before, England should be ready to take on the ABs.</p>
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<p>There is two angles to that ,</p>
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<p>While im sure England should get better , </p>
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<p>NZ are rebuilding right now , im not sure if vulnerable is the right word , but they are re structuring and undecided on their best team, </p>
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<p>Im expecting in 12 months time they will be far more settled and cohesive , so it could be well be , they are there for the taking more so now than they will be later </p> -
<p>It's very much looking like England will have a good chance to improve over the next couple of years. We've had good results but have to recognise that we've ridden our luck at times. We're not world beaters as yet. The level of improvement has been impressive, although coming from a low (RWC) base in terms of results more than performance in general. It's a bright time to be an England fan but until we can beat the other top teams regularly then we have no bragging rights.</p>
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<p>NZ are, as Kiwinmelb says, in a astute of rebuilding. Not such an issue because the succession planning that Hansen and co have put in place means that they can lose four world class players and leaders and hardly break stride. Very impressive. NZ will inevitably get better as the newer combos are cemented and then gel. England have the greater level of improvement to aim for, which makes the next couple of years potentially very interesting but the thing is, will they achieve the level of improvement that we hope they are capable of? That, to me is less likely than the lower degree of improvement that NZ have due to their higher starting level.</p>
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<p>Easy to talk of all this but no so easy to achieve. But as I say a bright time for England after many dark years.</p> -
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<p>Has any team previously scored 40 points in a top tier test and LOST?</p>
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<p>2000 NZ v South Africa, 40-46</p>
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<p>2004 Wales v Argentina, 44-50</p> -
That Fijian winger is so fat! Has he been playing in Top14 or something?
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Immenso Rapido" data-cid="592103" data-time="1466976858"><p>That Fijian winger is so fat! Has he been playing in Top14 or something?</p></blockquote>
Scotland I think. And he was bigger when he landed I'm told. <br><br>
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It's very much looking like England will have a good chance to improve over the next couple of years. We've had good results but have to recognise that we've ridden our luck at times. We're not world beaters as yet. The level of improvement has been impressive, although coming from a low (RWC) base in terms of results more than performance in general. It's a bright time to be an England fan but until we can beat the other top teams regularly then we have no bragging rights.<br><br>
NZ are, as Kiwinmelb says, in a astute of rebuilding. Not such an issue because the succession planning that Hansen and co have put in place means that they can lose four world class players and leaders and hardly break stride. Very impressive. NZ will inevitably get better as the newer combos are cemented and then gel. England have the greater level of improvement to aim for, which makes the next couple of years potentially very interesting but the thing is, will they achieve the level of improvement that we hope they are capable of? That, to me is less likely than the lower degree of improvement that NZ have due to their higher starting level.<br><br>
Easy to talk of all this but no so easy to achieve. But as I say a bright time for England after many dark years.</p></blockquote>. <br><br>
End of the day , you get us at twickenham next , <br><br>
That becomes more of a Toss a coin game than most kiwis will acknowledge with the way you are playing IMO . <br><br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Catogrande" data-cid="592094" data-time="1466973668"><p>
It's very much looking like England will have a good chance to improve over the next couple of years. We've had good results but have to recognise that we've ridden our luck at times. We're not world beaters as yet. The level of improvement has been impressive, although coming from a low (RWC) base in terms of results more than performance in general. It's a bright time to be an England fan but until we can beat the other top teams regularly then we have no bragging rights.<br><br>
NZ are, as Kiwinmelb says, in a astute of rebuilding. Not such an issue because the succession planning that Hansen and co have put in place means that they can lose four world class players and leaders and hardly break stride. Very impressive. NZ will inevitably get better as the newer combos are cemented and then gel. England have the greater level of improvement to aim for, which makes the next couple of years potentially very interesting but the thing is, will they achieve the level of improvement that we hope they are capable of? That, to me is less likely than the lower degree of improvement that NZ have due to their higher starting level.<br><br>
Easy to talk of all this but no so easy to achieve. But as I say a bright time for England after many dark years.</p></blockquote>. <br><br>
End of the day , you get us at twickenham next , <br><br>
That becomes more of a Toss a coin game than most kiwis will acknowledge with the way you are playing IMO . <br><br>
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<p>Holy fuck Nick, G&G must make you tear your hair out (oh...)</p>
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<p>lose 0-3 at home to England, changes that MUST be made. Get Quade in. Bring in a new winger. Replace Palu with, um, someone!</p>
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<p>Are you guys really so happy with Pocock at 8 that he walks back in there when he's fit? Or is it just you have no one else? (that you are willing to try)</p> -
<br><br><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="mariner4life" data-cid="592150" data-time="1466986241"><p>Holy fuck Nick, G&G must make you tear your hair out (oh...)<br></p></blockquote>
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Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa funny fluffybunny.<br><br>
It's been great over there. Such a cavalcade of fuckwits. There are some people who clearly don't know what rugby looks like. <br><br>
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<p>Holy fuck Nick, G&G must make you tear your hair out (oh...)</p>
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<p>lose 0-3 at home to England, changes that MUST be made. Get Quade in. Bring in a new winger. Replace Palu with, um, someone!</p>
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<p>Are you guys really so happy with Pocock at 8 that he walks back in there when he's fit? Or is it just you have no one else? (that you are willing to try)</p>
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<p>Pocock has to be in the team somewhere, Australia wins a lot more often when he is playing</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="592161" data-time="1466986979"><p>Pocock has to be in the team somewhere, Australia wins a lot more often when he is playing</p></blockquote>
Fardy hit more rucks than anyone on Saturday. <br>
Hooper's form is irresistible. <br>
We need an 8 and McMahon was pretty good on Saturday.<br><br>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/81150196/Wallabies-v-England-Numbers-show-Australia-doesn-t-cope-without-David-Pocock'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/81150196/Wallabies-v-England-Numbers-show-Australia-doesn-t-cope-without-David-Pocock</a></p>
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<p>Fardy may have hit more rucks, but I didn't think he was that effective.</p>
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<p>And is hoopers form irresistable? First thing a Blind side flanker should know, if the 8 runs blind off the scrum, it's his man.</p> -
<p>Someone posed this hypothetical backline, which I really like:</p>
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<p>9. Phipps/Genia</p>
<p>10. Foley</p>
<p>11. Tomane</p>
<p>12. Giteau</p>
<p>13. Folau</p>
<p>14. AAC</p>
<p>15. Haylett-Petty</p>
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<p>Reckon that's a pretty good unit. </p>
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<p>As for the backrow, it's really tough. I think we need Fardy and Pocock. McMahon played really well at 8, and can carry the ball really well. Ultimately Hooper will start with McMahon on the bench, but wouldn't mind seeing the reverse tried once.</p> -
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<p>Fuck. You mean they made mistakes?<br><br>
SACK THE LOT OF THEM!!!</p>
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<p>Stop being so precious, I don't think Hoopers the superman you make him out to be</p>
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<p>Not making that tackle on the side of the scrum was a schoolboy error. </p> -
<p>I think Fardy has been ordinary this series (by his standards, I'm a fan), lots of endeavour for little output. He hit a lot of rucks, but didn't do much in most of them. That said, he took his lineouts, often under pressure, and that was a pretty big role for him (and an essential one going forward if the selection continues).</p>
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<p>Big news for Aus is Douglas will be back on the bench for the Reds this week. They'll be praying hard he comes back in the same sort of form as the end of last year. </p> -
<p>Just a point arising from your post Barb, are you at all worried by more overseas players coming in? I think Kepu's effectiveness was down on his previous levels, do you think they'll be able to 1. slot back in to the unit, and 2. provide the increase in performance required?</p>
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<p>Genia especially, who had a long lay off. </p> -
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<p>Someone posed this hypothetical backline, which I really like:</p>
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<p>9. Phipps/Genia</p>
<p>10. Foley</p>
<p>11. Tomane</p>
<p>12. Giteau</p>
<p>13. Folau</p>
<p>14. AAC</p>
<p>15. Haylett-Petty</p>
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<p>Reckon that's a pretty good unit. </p>
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<p>As for the backrow, it's really tough. I think we need Fardy and Pocock. McMahon played really well at 8, and can carry the ball really well. Ultimately Hoopah will start with McMahon on the bench, but wouldn't mind seeing the reverse tried once.</p>
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<p>The key there is that you have Genia instead of Phipps. HB is such an important position from a decision making POV, and Phipps just makes the wrong decision too often.</p> -
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<p>Just a point arising from your post Barb, are you at all worried by more overseas players coming in? I think Kepu's effectiveness was down on his previous levels, do you think they'll be able to 1. slot back in to the unit, and 2. provide the increase in performance required?</p>
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<p><strong>Genia especially, who had a long lay off. </strong></p>
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<p>Fuck he's got to be better the Phipps!</p>
