Ukraine
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@MajorRage Pretty fucken scary to be fair, as long as Putin is in power this war is not going to end. He seems to be escalating in terms of numbers, 3-400,000 soldiers is a lot of cannon fodder for Ukraine and the west to get through. I wonder if this is exactly how the west viewed Hitler as he marched into Poland. I just feel sick at all the innocent people that have died and will continue to die in their thousands. Fuck humans and our stupid brains that allow us to be brainwashed and tribal.
I think Putin is a history buff. I expect he knows what happened when the last Tsar entered into an ill advised and catastrophic war.....
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I think Putin is a history buff. I expect he knows what happened when the last Tsar entered into an ill advised and catastrophic war.....
If you look at Putin's objectives and philosophy - Greater Russia, keeping NATO away from his doorstep, global influence, splitting the West - he's already lost big, big time.
Add into the mix he's destroyed his energy leverage on Europe, lost half his navy, make his much-vaunted military look like idiots and managed to re-arm Europe's biggest economy (Germany) against him and it's a cluster-fuck of epic proportions. Just pisses me off tens of thousands will die before it ends.
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@MajorRage said in Ukraine:
Would recommend everybody reads this.
I’ve not fact checked any of it, but it’s a pretty interesting read
Good god, that's some delusional shit right there.
Has anyone told the Japanese or ze Germans that they're still being occupied by the US? Hope they don't read this, it could be WW3!!!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Ukraine:
I think Putin is a history buff. I expect he knows what happened when the last Tsar entered into an ill advised and catastrophic war.....
If you look at Putin's objectives and philosophy - Greater Russia, keeping NATO away from his doorstep, global influence, splitting the West - he's already lost big, big time.
Add into the mix he's destroyed his energy leverage on Europe, lost half his navy, make his much-vaunted military look like idiots and managed to re-arm Europe's biggest economy (Germany) against him and it's a cluster-fuck of epic proportions. Just pisses me off tens of thousands will die before it ends.
As he scoops up hundreds of thousands of unwilling conscripts I am sure this will piss some ordinary Russians off.
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They appear to be struggling to organise and equip the latest conscripts let alone ramping things up to those kind of numbers. That would be literally feeding humans into a meat grinder, or freezer if you consider how gnarly winter conditions will be.
But his speech is terrifying. But will I care (as a Russian fulla) that much when I've been conscripted and am learning more and more about how the war is going?
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@Paekakboyz said in Ukraine:
They appear to be struggling to organise and equip the latest conscripts let alone ramping things up to those kind of numbers. That would be literally feeding humans into a meat grinder, or freezer if you consider how gnarly winter conditions will be.
But his speech is terrifying. But will I care (as a Russian fulla) that much when I've been conscripted and am learning more and more about how the war is going?
I know it's not 1918. But how much unrest will there need to be until Putin's cronies start thinking about axing him to save themselves?
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Seeing Putin still petrified of germs is so weird. The compliant crowd at his annexation speech were miles back from his rostrum.
A tough guy so scared of a virus 80% of the globe have already caught, is such a weird visual contrast.
I literally thought that was a WW2 reference to the Germans when I read that
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@canefan surely there are many attempts ongoing to get a bead on Putin. The way he holds power makes it hard to get a handle on what the people around him actually believe. Also hard to tell if foreign powers are lining someone/s up for a takeover versus just zapping Putin and seeing what happens.
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@Paekakboyz said in Ukraine:
@canefan surely there are many attempts ongoing to get a bead on Putin. The way he holds power makes it hard to get a handle on what the people around him actually believe. Also hard to tell if foreign powers are lining someone/s up for a takeover versus just zapping Putin and seeing what happens.
The scary thing is it appears his inner circle have all drunk the Kool-Aid (I guess they dissapear if they don't drink it), is there even a western friendly leader among the elite that would right the ship so to speak. Is there even an opposition party in Russia?
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@Victor-Meldrew are you talking about Nordstream? Highly doubt he would destroy a primary source of revenue.
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@Victor-Meldrew are you talking about Nordstream? Highly doubt he would destroy a primary source of revenue.
More that he'll never be trusted on energy supply again
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Ukraine:
@Victor-Meldrew are you talking about Nordstream? Highly doubt he would destroy a primary source of revenue.
More that he'll never be trusted on energy supply again
He doesn't want to be trusted. He doesn't want to supply the gas. He wants Europe to burn, to go down and establish a new world order.
You really think the damage to the pipeline was done by anybody other than Russia?
The narrative is pretty clear. He's putting pride in the Russian state, looking for allies for the new world order & threatening (basically the US) that any attempts to try and stop this global realignment will be dealt with harshly.
The only way back from here is an internal overthrow of his power & frankly, it isn't going to happen as he is clearly not just a one man band. WW3 won't start in my view, but the new world order has and will grow.
Thats just the sad reality in my opinion.
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@MajorRage said in Ukraine:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Ukraine:
@Victor-Meldrew are you talking about Nordstream? Highly doubt he would destroy a primary source of revenue.
More that he'll never be trusted on energy supply again
He doesn't want to be trusted. He doesn't want to supply the gas. He wants Europe to burn, to go down and establish a new world order.
You really think the damage to the pipeline was done by anybody other than Russia?
The narrative is pretty clear. He's putting pride in the Russian state, looking for allies for the new world order & threatening (basically the US) that any attempts to try and stop this global realignment will be dealt with harshly.
The only way back from here is an internal overthrow of his power & frankly, it isn't going to happen as he is clearly not just a one man band. WW3 won't start in my view, but the new world order has and will grow.
Thats just the sad reality in my opinion.
I think the pipeline thing was almost certainly Russian. Whether it's burning bridges, making a statement on energy pre-Winter or a warning shot on critical undersea infrastructure, I don't know.
There's def. a new word order and that's been growing for some time. Putin's master-stroke has been to make the world and the previously-complacent West very much aware of it and start to counter it.
His army is fucked, they are losing ground to Ukraine, the West is still pouring arms in and his own people are fleeing Russia rather than be conscripted. I think Putin and his elite are in a corner and are looking for a way out - hence the call for peace talks.
The big worry will be what he does if Ukraine reclaims more of his territory and come next Spring the West, and particularly Europe, are still united.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Ukraine:
@MajorRage said in Ukraine:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Ukraine:
@Victor-Meldrew are you talking about Nordstream? Highly doubt he would destroy a primary source of revenue.
More that he'll never be trusted on energy supply again
He doesn't want to be trusted. He doesn't want to supply the gas. He wants Europe to burn, to go down and establish a new world order.
You really think the damage to the pipeline was done by anybody other than Russia?
The narrative is pretty clear. He's putting pride in the Russian state, looking for allies for the new world order & threatening (basically the US) that any attempts to try and stop this global realignment will be dealt with harshly.
The only way back from here is an internal overthrow of his power & frankly, it isn't going to happen as he is clearly not just a one man band. WW3 won't start in my view, but the new world order has and will grow.
Thats just the sad reality in my opinion.
I think the pipeline thing was almost certainly Russian. Whether it's burning bridges, making a statement on energy pre-Winter or a warning shot on critical undersea infrastructure, I don't know.
There's def. a new word order and that's been growing for some time. Putin's master-stroke has been to make the world and the previously-complacent West very much aware of it and start to counter it.
His army is fucked, they are losing ground to Ukraine, the West is still pouring arms in and his own people are fleeing Russia rather than be conscripted. I think Putin and his elite are in a corner and are looking for a way out - hence the call for peace talks.
The big worry will be what he does if Ukraine reclaims more of his territory and come next Spring the West, and particularly Europe, are still united.
I still think people are reading, and believing, far too much Western narrative.
Theres close to 150mill people in Russia. Around 200k have fled. Thats 0.125%. Certainly an exodus, but not exactly castrophic.
We have very little feel for the support of the war there. Yes, there have been people protesting, but again, what percentage? Is it that high?
The unknown thing for me is what sort of tie ups has he got with China & India, the worlds most populous country. You agree to supply gas to them, who gives a shit about Europe and it's piddly 750 mill people, of which a lot live in warmer climates.
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@Victor-Meldrew a conversation off the earlier twitter post was about saving face. That losing to Ukraine is unthinkable, but taking on NATO aka the USA tilts the scales in terms of domestic opinion. Getting fucked over by their 'peers' and traditional enemies makes for an easier spin compared to upstart Ukraine. @MajorRage that may be the angle of that JR vid, haven't checked it out just yet.
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@MajorRage said in Ukraine:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Ukraine:
@MajorRage said in Ukraine:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Ukraine:
@Victor-Meldrew are you talking about Nordstream? Highly doubt he would destroy a primary source of revenue.
More that he'll never be trusted on energy supply again
He doesn't want to be trusted. He doesn't want to supply the gas. He wants Europe to burn, to go down and establish a new world order.
You really think the damage to the pipeline was done by anybody other than Russia?
The narrative is pretty clear. He's putting pride in the Russian state, looking for allies for the new world order & threatening (basically the US) that any attempts to try and stop this global realignment will be dealt with harshly.
The only way back from here is an internal overthrow of his power & frankly, it isn't going to happen as he is clearly not just a one man band. WW3 won't start in my view, but the new world order has and will grow.
Thats just the sad reality in my opinion.
I think the pipeline thing was almost certainly Russian. Whether it's burning bridges, making a statement on energy pre-Winter or a warning shot on critical undersea infrastructure, I don't know.
There's def. a new word order and that's been growing for some time. Putin's master-stroke has been to make the world and the previously-complacent West very much aware of it and start to counter it.
His army is fucked, they are losing ground to Ukraine, the West is still pouring arms in and his own people are fleeing Russia rather than be conscripted. I think Putin and his elite are in a corner and are looking for a way out - hence the call for peace talks.
The big worry will be what he does if Ukraine reclaims more of his territory and come next Spring the West, and particularly Europe, are still united.
I still think people are reading, and believing, far too much Western narrative.
I think the Western narrative is quite clear and believable. I don't see any serious discussion about Putin being overthrown anytime soon. The West wants the war to continue to drain Russia's economy, manpower, armed forces and isolate the country. It's a long-haul strategy.
Theres close to 150mill people in Russia. Around 200k have fled. Thats 0.125%. Certainly an exodus, but not exactly castrophic.
It's who's leaving though. These are the smart people the russian economy needs
We have very little feel for the support of the war there. Yes, there have been people protesting, but again, what percentage? Is it that high?
I'm watching mentions of public protests by soldier mothers. Growing, but slowly.
The unknown thing for me is what sort of tie ups has he got with China & India, the worlds most populous country. You agree to supply gas to them, who gives a shit about Europe and it's piddly 750 mill people, of which a lot live in warmer climates.
China and India are wary and India is wary of China so that's one to watch.
That said, Putin now has 750 million people on his border who are much, much richer than he is, building up their armed forces, determined not to rely on his country for energy, pretty pissed off with him for invading Ukraine and eager to welcome that country into the EU.
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@MajorRage said in Ukraine:
This is really worth a listen as well.
I really think people should understand why Putin is doing what he's doing, and not just accept the he's a madman narrative.
I love the way you send a twitter thread and a video and you now know all Putins motives and want to educate us as to why he's not mad.
Jeez man, if that twitter thread actually nailed Putins thinking, then it very much makes him a madman.
I think Putin has massively fucked up. He's completely pinned his hopes to China, and a little bit of India. China could absolutely fuck Russia right now for a very long time. You call Europe piddly, but it hardly seems smart to me to put a trade sanction on them for the foreseeable future.
Putin has exposed his weak army for all to see. They're poorly trained and poorly managed. Unfortunately for all of us, they still have nukes.
The only way I see out of this is if Putin is assassinated, ideally from within. Otherwise I think he just goes down swinging, and that's really bad for everyone.