Bledisloe 1
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 1:
Raynal speaks:
https://www.allblacks.com/news/raynal-opens-up-on-that-decision/
I love the little dig at the end...
Asked if a crackdown was needed on time-wasting, Raynal said: "That's not my role. But what do we want in our sport? What kind of picture do we want to deliver to the young viewers?
"Do you want to see your child wasting time on the ball? Do you want to see your child diving and play-acting? That's the real question. But my job is to referee."
Someone buy that fella a beer
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@kiwiinmelb said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 1:
Raynal speaks:
https://www.allblacks.com/news/raynal-opens-up-on-that-decision/
I love the little dig at the end...
Asked if a crackdown was needed on time-wasting, Raynal said: "That's not my role. But what do we want in our sport? What kind of picture do we want to deliver to the young viewers?
"Do you want to see your child wasting time on the ball? Do you want to see your child diving and play-acting? That's the real question. But my job is to referee."
Someone buy that fella a beer
Seems like Nic White did
“Nic White came after the last game on Saturday night with two beers in the changing room. He came to talk to me, and I appreciate what he told me in his name, and in the name of the Australia team.
"I will not say publicly what our discussion was but I appreciate what he did that night in Auckland.
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Just saw this on reddit..
This is why Foley was arguing he wanted to talk to his forwards before kicking... lol
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@bayimports said in Bledisloe 1:
Just saw this on reddit..
This is why Foley was arguing he wanted to talk to his forwards before kicking... lol
Never bet against red n black….
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@booboo said in Bledisloe 1:
But let's think about the real victim here
Poor old Darcy misses two tests ...Have seen a few reactionary posts on the socials calling for a Swain to be banned for 9 months
Regardless of the punishment in this case being too short, that's a slippery slope. Does that mean any red cards where a player is not out of the game injured means no ban?
(Yes I'm being facetious)
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@NTA said in Bledisloe 1:
@booboo said in Bledisloe 1:
But let's think about the real victim here
Poor old Darcy misses two tests ...Have seen a few reactionary posts on the socials calling for a Swain to be banned for 9 months
Regardless of the punishment in this case being too short, that's a slippery slope. Does that mean any red cards where a player is not out of the game injured means no ban?
(Yes I'm being facetious)
It means that acts of thuggery like this should get special attention.
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@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 1:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 1:
@booboo said in Bledisloe 1:
But let's think about the real victim here
Poor old Darcy misses two tests ...Have seen a few reactionary posts on the socials calling for a Swain to be banned for 9 months
Regardless of the punishment in this case being too short, that's a slippery slope. Does that mean any red cards where a player is not out of the game injured means no ban?
(Yes I'm being facetious)
It means that acts of thuggery like this should get special attention.
I think that is something that needs looking at - particularly where lower level games are used to blunt the suspension.
Banning a player for 9 months over puts it somewhere near match official abuse.
Will players throwing a punch deemed to be Grub level?
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@mikedogz said in Bledisloe 1:
If Tupaea's injury was career ending, could he take Swain to court? I remember reading about a couple of ex league players in court.
This thought had occurred. It is to my mind seriously career threatening.
Wonder if he is hamstrung by ACC laws in NZ? Could he sue in another country?
P.S. am not an advocate for matching the ban to the time out. Just can't really work like that.
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@booboo said in Bledisloe 1:
@mikedogz said in Bledisloe 1:
If Tupaea's injury was career ending, could he take Swain to court? I remember reading about a couple of ex league players in court.
This thought had occurred. It is to my mind seriously career threatening.
Wonder if he is hamstrung by ACC laws in NZ? Could he sue in another country?
P.S. am not an advocate for matching the ban to the time out. Just can't really work like that.
Reminds me of this.
I’ll also point out that it’s incredibly depressing to realise this happened TWENTY fucken years ago. In my mind it feels relatively recent !
Greening loses court battle
Former Wasps hooker Phil Greening to pay out £30,000 in damages to Clermont wing Aurélien Rougerie for an injury caused in 2002.
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@mikedogz said in Bledisloe 1:
If Tupaea's injury was career ending, could he take Swain to court? I remember reading about a couple of ex league players in court.
Jarrod McCracken
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@booboo happened in aus so you'd think it would be under Aus jurisdiction and i am pretty sure ACC doesn't usually cover you for injury outside nz.
Plus, they probably arent covered by acc anyway and have private insurance for these guys...but you'd wonder if the insurers start looking at incidents like this and the right to attempt recovery when clearly goes beyond accidental.
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The McCracken case was an interesting one. Here is the judgment (not very long) from the NSW Supreme Court
The fascinating part of the judgment is paras 35-37
35 In that connection there are at least three factors which stand out. One is the inherent dangerousness of a player being upside down particularly when lifted to that position. A Second is that the rules of the game both recognise the danger and prohibit the event described as a dangerous throw. A Third is that it is not necessary in preventing the forward movement of a player to deal with him as the Plaintiff was dealt with.
36 In connection with that I do not suggest some fine judgment in the middle of play is necessary. But actions of lifting as occurred in this case are so far removed from what is needed to prevent forward movement that there is in my view no justification for them.
37 Many of the matters to which I have referred lead inevitably to the conclusion that the Defendants breached the duty of care that they owed the Plaintiff. I am further satisfied that the intent of both of the Defendants in the tackle was to injure the Plaintiff. I do not by that suggest that injury of the severity that occurred was intended, but the evidence of Mr Ryan and Mr Bai quoted above satisfies me that some injury was intended by each of the Second and Third Defendants. Consideration of the nature and circumstances of the tackle as depicted in the video leads to the same conclusion. -
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 1:
@booboo happened in aus so you'd think it would be under Aus jurisdiction and i am pretty sure ACC doesn't usually cover you for injury outside nz.
Plus, they probably arent covered by acc anyway and have private insurance for these guys...but you'd wonder if the insurers start looking at incidents like this and the right to attempt recovery when clearly goes beyond accidental.
Thanjs Taniwha. I did wonder, but also wondered if he may come under ACC as was working for a NZ employer.
Thinking further. If hypothetically an incident happens and the injured party does sue, does the employing sporting body cover the party being sued as an employee? should players have their own insurance? Would party be covered if party has been determined to have acted illegally?
I know this is conjecture ...
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@NTA said in Bledisloe 1:
@booboo said in Bledisloe 1:
But let's think about the real victim here
Poor old Darcy misses two tests ...Have seen a few reactionary posts on the socials calling for a Swain to be banned for 9 months
Regardless of the punishment in this case being too short, that's a slippery slope. Does that mean any red cards where a player is not out of the game injured means no ban?
(Yes I'm being facetious)
I hope you are being facetious because the logic is flawed.
Mccracken v Melbourne Storm Rugby League Football Club and 2 Ors [2005] NSWSC 107 (22 February 2005)