Future Locks after RWC???
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@nzzp said in Future Locks after RWC???:
@Bones said in Future Locks after RWC???:
Darry's name popping up a few times now. What's with that? Anytime I've seen him, he seems to have less impact than Blackwell and is more stringbean than Lord.
He's 22 nad growing into his frame. I have no idea if he'll step up or not; not sure the love he's getting. Seems a good player, but for me way too soon to anoint him as a future AB lock. Needs to prove himself at Super level first
For me, that applies to Fabian Holland, too. He seems a good prospect, but didn't really stand out for the NZ U20s, this year.
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It’s interesting that we all knew that our locks are getting old and tired. They can play one good game then average in the other. Yet Foster is playing the safe but perilous route, because his back is against the wall (thanks @Victor-Meldrew ), and has not attempted to blood others. We are quick to lay the blame on our rookies but the pack as a whole has been inconsistent and old, especially the locks.
Whitelock wasn’t great last test but the test against the Argies everyone’s was singing his praises. Retallick likewise. While this is not a Foster thread he is at the center of decision making and I would imagine if he was the next coach he would not no how the make changes at lock beyond what we have.
So Whitelock and Retallick to see us through to 2027.
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@broughie said in Future Locks after RWC???:
Yet Foster is playing the safe but perilous route, because his back is against the wall (thanks @Victor-Meldrew ), and has not attempted to blood others.
TBF, he's brought Vaa'i & Lord into the mix. Think Lord would have been given plenty of game time were it not for injury.
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@Victor-Meldrew Yes. But would have use them in big games or defaulted to safety? More concerned about his job than the future. In contrast across the ditch Rennie has the same predicament but you see his brain saying I have to deal with what I have and moves forward.
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@broughie said in Future Locks after RWC???:
More concerned about his job than the future.
More concerned about winning - which is his job after all.
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@Victor-Meldrew But he created the position he is in by his ineptitude as a coach. I am not sure why your continue to stick up for this guy just because he is what we have. Yes concerned about winning with this aged group because Foster was concerned more about his job. His focus should have been on blooding the next batch of players. He is in this situation of his own making.
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@Stargazer said in Future Locks after RWC???:
@nzzp said in Future Locks after RWC???:
@Bones said in Future Locks after RWC???:
Darry's name popping up a few times now. What's with that? Anytime I've seen him, he seems to have less impact than Blackwell and is more stringbean than Lord.
He's 22 nad growing into his frame. I have no idea if he'll step up or not; not sure the love he's getting. Seems a good player, but for me way too soon to anoint him as a future AB lock. Needs to prove himself at Super level first
For me, that applies to Fabian Holland, too. He seems a good prospect, but didn't really stand out for the NZ U20s, this year.
I think the difference is Holland already has a more filled out frame than Darry and is 2 years younger than Darry.
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@broughie said in Future Locks after RWC???:
@Victor-Meldrew But he created the position he is in by his ineptitude as a coach. I am not sure why your continue to stick up for this guy just because he is what we have. Yes concerned about winning with this aged group because Foster was concerned more about his job. His focus should have been on blooding the next batch of players. He is in this situation of his own making.
lol this is a laughable take
his job is to win test matches. that's it. pick the best team and win
If Vaai had been coming off the bench and providing impact then i could entertain the suggestion he gets a start. But the fact is he comes off the bench and adds fuck all. Why would any coach then pick him?
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@mariner4life said in Future Locks after RWC???:
@broughie said in Future Locks after RWC???:
@Victor-Meldrew But he created the position he is in by his ineptitude as a coach. I am not sure why your continue to stick up for this guy just because he is what we have. Yes concerned about winning with this aged group because Foster was concerned more about his job. His focus should have been on blooding the next batch of players. He is in this situation of his own making.
lol this is a laughable take
his job is to win test matches. that's it. pick the best team and win
If Vaai had been coming off the bench and providing impact then i could entertain the suggestion he gets a start. But the fact is he comes off the bench and adds fuck all. Why would any coach then pick him?
Why would any coach pick him? Because they are trying to build depth in the squad to cover for injuries. You invest in players, easing them in. Same way that we get bolters to play T20 - to see how they go, expose them to the big time, and down the line prepare them for high pressure matches.
WE just don't hvae the 'easy' games as much any more to blood players, or the strength of team to allow weaker players game time.
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@nzzp said in Future Locks after RWC???:
@mariner4life said in Future Locks after RWC???:
@broughie said in Future Locks after RWC???:
@Victor-Meldrew But he created the position he is in by his ineptitude as a coach. I am not sure why your continue to stick up for this guy just because he is what we have. Yes concerned about winning with this aged group because Foster was concerned more about his job. His focus should have been on blooding the next batch of players. He is in this situation of his own making.
lol this is a laughable take
his job is to win test matches. that's it. pick the best team and win
If Vaai had been coming off the bench and providing impact then i could entertain the suggestion he gets a start. But the fact is he comes off the bench and adds fuck all. Why would any coach then pick him?
Why would any coach pick him? Because they are trying to build depth in the squad to cover for injuries. You invest in players, easing them in. Same way that we get bolters to play T20 - to see how they go, expose them to the big time, and down the line prepare them for high pressure matches.
WE just don't hvae the 'easy' games as much any more to blood players, or the strength of team to allow weaker players game time.
Crikey. The shit that was being heaped upon the coaches for not winning and now you want to revisit that and say they should have been developing players over and above selecting the best option to win?
That's bizzarre.Not developing players in some areas has been a shit side effect of the losses and trying to create a stable selection platform to build off, I agree, but those were the cards we dealt ourselves
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@Crucial said in Future Locks after RWC???:
@nzzp said in Future Locks after RWC???:
@mariner4life said in Future Locks after RWC???:
@broughie said in Future Locks after RWC???:
@Victor-Meldrew But he created the position he is in by his ineptitude as a coach. I am not sure why your continue to stick up for this guy just because he is what we have. Yes concerned about winning with this aged group because Foster was concerned more about his job. His focus should have been on blooding the next batch of players. He is in this situation of his own making.
lol this is a laughable take
his job is to win test matches. that's it. pick the best team and win
If Vaai had been coming off the bench and providing impact then i could entertain the suggestion he gets a start. But the fact is he comes off the bench and adds fuck all. Why would any coach then pick him?
Why would any coach pick him? Because they are trying to build depth in the squad to cover for injuries. You invest in players, easing them in. Same way that we get bolters to play T20 - to see how they go, expose them to the big time, and down the line prepare them for high pressure matches.
WE just don't hvae the 'easy' games as much any more to blood players, or the strength of team to allow weaker players game time.
Crikey. The shit that was being heaped upon the coaches for not winning and now you want to revisit that and say they should have been developing players over and above selecting the best option to win?
That's bizzarre.Not developing players in some areas has been a shit side effect of the losses and trying to create a stable selection platform to build off, I agree, but those were the cards we dealt ourselves
I was responding to the question about why any coach would pick a player specifically.
Foster's backed himself into a corner, where we've had the worst of both worlds. Playing a consistent team (builds combos), but still losing and not building depth as a result of the combo choices. I don't think he should necessarily have been playing second stringers - but we are running our first XV players into the ground and it's a high risk strategy.
We had an issue in 2019 by not landing on a 6 or midfield going into the RWC. We wound up with Savea at 6 in big games, as a 'suprise' type RWC choice, largely because we didn't have much of a choice at that point. There's a tension, and it's damn tough to do. Shows how spoiled we've been
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@mariner4life said in Future Locks after RWC???:
@broughie said in Future Locks after RWC???:
@Victor-Meldrew But he created the position he is in by his ineptitude as a coach. I am not sure why your continue to stick up for this guy just because he is what we have. Yes concerned about winning with this aged group because Foster was concerned more about his job. His focus should have been on blooding the next batch of players. He is in this situation of his own making.
lol this is a laughable take
his job is to win test matches. that's it. pick the best team and win
If Vaai had been coming off the bench and providing impact then i could entertain the suggestion he gets a start. But the fact is he comes off the bench and adds fuck all. Why would any coach then pick him?
Well first of all he hasn’t been winning test matches. He’s lost more than won recently right or are we all good based on 2 wins in a row.? Fuckin excellent AB record from this chap.
And not trying to develop depth is laughable as well especially when some of our blokes will be using walkers soon. What’s the purpose of Vaai being there if your not going to use him? If he’s not good enough find someone else.
Have our locks been stand outs this year on a consistent basis? As consistent as our forward pack for years now. I think we both agree our pack has been on the decline for a while now starting with Hanson and continuing with Foster.
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PPP getting no love in the thread but I think pre injury he was starting to play to match his size.
Also, on Vai'i, he's been fairly good in most of his matches for the ABs. He's just behind the two greats and Scooter in the pecking order.
I also can't see Dickson leap frogging Lord in the coaches rankings. They clearly rate him highly.
