Bledisloe 1
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 1:
@bayimports said in Bledisloe 1:
some hyperbolic shit on this thread and it is only about 2 players in the same team lol. Personally I think they offer different strengths, SF did put in some big games recently but I still think Akira has a higher ceiling. Even the stats shared for me only show part of the story. Carries, tackles, missed tackles, metres gained cover part of it, anyone with access to find stats like number of cleanouts, successful cleanouts v penalties conceded?, someone used to track (1st 3 players to a ruck) etc, Im sure some platform would have them. Probably would put a few of the other forwards to shame knowing those numbers, but might help shape opinions more objectively including my own..
Bro, forget the stats. All we need are a few short well edited video clips of highlights, maybe with a bit of rap/hip-hop music playing in the background and the odd boomfa from Marshall and that will show how Owesome each of them are.
And the first 3 players to ruck stat is only bought out on special occasions, when some poster is doubting the greatness of Reuben Thorne.
Thorne would get to rucks quickly but I think his eyesight was bad because once there he would stop and try to focus.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 1:
@bayimports said in Bledisloe 1:
some hyperbolic shit on this thread and it is only about 2 players in the same team lol. Personally I think they offer different strengths, SF did put in some big games recently but I still think Akira has a higher ceiling. Even the stats shared for me only show part of the story. Carries, tackles, missed tackles, metres gained cover part of it, anyone with access to find stats like number of cleanouts, successful cleanouts v penalties conceded?, someone used to track (1st 3 players to a ruck) etc, Im sure some platform would have them. Probably would put a few of the other forwards to shame knowing those numbers, but might help shape opinions more objectively including my own..
Bro, forget the stats. All we need are a few short well edited video clips of highlights, maybe with a bit of rap/hip-hop music playing in the background and the odd boomfa from Marshall and that will show how Owesome each of them are.
And the first 3 players to ruck stat is only bought out on special occasions, when some poster is doubting the greatness of Reuben Thorne.
White players usually have a bit of thrash metal to emphasise how powerful and dynamic they are. So racist.
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@pakman said in Bledisloe 1:
For me Cane and Frizell are heavy duty flankers, e.g. hit rucks well. They're never going to compete in the loose with Ardie, Akira and Hos, who are all much faster. But a LF trio needs balance, and with two heavy duty types a flier works well, at least in first 50.
Akira and Ardie are a bit samey and not great together against teams such as Boks and Pumas.
I'm fine with the selection, and main query is what happens at 50 when Cane off, and Paps and Akira on. Does Scooter go to lock and give Big Sam a rest? Or does Akira pick up where Hos left off?
I imagine that decision will be driven by how well the Wobbly five are going.That's pretty much what I'm expecting, though I was thinking Scott to shift in and Retallick to the bench.
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@pakman said in Bledisloe 1:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 1:
Must say, I'm really enjoying the passion and verve of this thread in terms of Player A vs Player B etc.
It won't make a lick of difference to the result - ABs by 25.
If the ABs win by 24 you'll be celebrating.
Little victories
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@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 1:
Marvel stadium?
Is that a joke?
In 20 years it’s had 4 different names / sponsors.
Colonial Stadium, Telstra Dome, Etihad Stadium and now Marvel Stadium.
I’ve always just referred to it as Docklands Stadium because of where it is.
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Amazing to see how high people are rating Frizell after a couple of OKish performances, despite starting in our first ever loss to a terrible Argentinian team at home. I guess there's some strong dislike/bias against Akira that is playing into that.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 1:
@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 1:
Marvel stadium?
Is that a joke?
In 20 years it’s had 4 different names / sponsors.
Colonial Stadium, Telstra Dome, Etihad Stadium and now Marvel Stadium.
I’ve always just referred to it as Docklands Stadium because of where it is.
I have trouble keeping up and find myself still calling it Etihad , I’ll probably be calling it Marvell when it’s something else
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
Amazing to see how high people are rating Frizell after a couple of OKish performances, despite starting in our first ever loss to a terrible Argentinian team at home. I guess there's some strong dislike/bias against Akira that is playing into that.
Exactly the same can be said the other way around too
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
Amazing to see how high people are rating Frizell after a couple of OKish performances, despite starting in our first ever loss to a terrible Argentinian team at home. I guess there's some strong dislike/bias against Akira that is playing into that.
I don't see anyone rating SF highly at all, except the selectors.
The discussions are about why he/SB are the starting 6s instead of Akira and why Akira doesn't fit the desired gameplan for the starting role or fits the finishing role better.There are no slurs on Akira's abilities or praising of Frizell. The Akira bias is coming from his fans.
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@Mattasaurus said in Bledisloe 1:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
Amazing to see how high people are rating Frizell after a couple of OKish performances, despite starting in our first ever loss to a terrible Argentinian team at home. I guess there's some strong dislike/bias against Akira that is playing into that.
Exactly the same can be said the other way around too
You think Akira has only ever produced a couple of OKish performances in black? That bias is stronger than I realised!
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Frizell is getting overly praised for functional "non shitting the bed" performances.
The train has over shot the station however.
He was solid but nothing to scare any of the NH teams. Backrowers of his ilk are 10 a penny up there these days.
I will give him credit for sticking up for Nugget after Wiese hit him after the whistle.
Too many of our boys have been getting towelled up on and off the ball this year.
Even when Cane was getting rinsed by O'Mahoney, someone should have been grabbing collars.
Same with Beaudy getting upended. Allblacks watched as one of their star men was sent head first into the turf and there wasn't a neck grabbed or a push dealt out.
Beta Mentality.
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
@Mattasaurus said in Bledisloe 1:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
Amazing to see how high people are rating Frizell after a couple of OKish performances, despite starting in our first ever loss to a terrible Argentinian team at home. I guess there's some strong dislike/bias against Akira that is playing into that.
Exactly the same can be said the other way around too
You think Akira has only ever produced a couple of OKish performances in black? That bias is stronger than I realised!
It might shock you fan boys, but yes... I dont believe he's been that great... Certainly hasn't lived up to his potential in my mind... And he's had a lot of chances.... Hence why he appears to be back in the impact player box currently..
Nor has SF been that great, as others have repeatedly pointed out... He simply plays a tighter, more traditional 6 role.
Everytime any of us on here remotely criticise AI you guys jump down our throats...
Check your own bias before you imply mine...
As I have said in this thread, I would have preferred AI to start this test...
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@Steve said in Bledisloe 1:
Same with Beaudy getting upended. Allblacks watched as one of their star men was sent head first into the turf and there wasn't a neck grabbed or a push dealt out.
Given that the guy that upended him was also laid out on the turf were they meant to just grab the nearest random opposition player and pose hard?
Beta Mentality.
That's a very neckbeardy comment.
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@Steve said in Bledisloe 1:
Beta Mentality.
this might be the first time i've heard someone use the term (seemingly) unironically
the guys that give it all "see you in the carpark after the game" shit get laughed at...because they're never there...
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
@Steve said in Bledisloe 1:
Same with Beaudy getting upended. Allblacks watched as one of their star men was sent head first into the turf and there wasn't a neck grabbed or a push dealt out.
Given that the guy that upended him was also laid out on the turf were they meant to just grab the nearest random opposition player and pose hard?
Beta Mentality.
That's a very neckbeardy comment.
Yep. O'Mahoney would have been towering over the Springbok shouting "you dirty stupid kunt"....and if anyone took umbrage there would be handbags. Sometimes you have to go looking for it.
Like Mapimpi last week letting Korobeite know he was there after the try was scored.
"have some of that you Kunt"
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@Steve said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
@Steve said in Bledisloe 1:
Same with Beaudy getting upended. Allblacks watched as one of their star men was sent head first into the turf and there wasn't a neck grabbed or a push dealt out.
Given that the guy that upended him was also laid out on the turf were they meant to just grab the nearest random opposition player and pose hard?
Beta Mentality.
That's a very neckbeardy comment.
Yep. O'Mahoney would have been towering over the Springbok shouting "you dirty stupid kunt"....and if anyone took umbrage there would be handbags. Sometimes you have to go looking for it.
Like Mapimpi last week letting Korobeite know he was there after the try was scored.
"have some of that you Kunt"
and how did that work out?
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
@Steve said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
@Steve said in Bledisloe 1:
Same with Beaudy getting upended. Allblacks watched as one of their star men was sent head first into the turf and there wasn't a neck grabbed or a push dealt out.
Given that the guy that upended him was also laid out on the turf were they meant to just grab the nearest random opposition player and pose hard?
Beta Mentality.
That's a very neckbeardy comment.
Yep. O'Mahoney would have been towering over the Springbok shouting "you dirty stupid kunt"....and if anyone took umbrage there would be handbags. Sometimes you have to go looking for it.
Like Mapimpi last week letting Korobeite know he was there after the try was scored.
"have some of that you Kunt"
and how did that work out?
yeah, i agree, rugby is shit now
