Bledisloe 1
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@Derpus said in Bledisloe 1:
We should be able to borrow a few ABs given we can't field a full 23. Like in juniors when you rock up on game day and you end up playing for the opposition because they are short.
I'm happy to give you Shannon Frizell, after all his brother is Australian.
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@KiwiMurph this has got to be a windup surely?
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe 1:
@Derpus Perofeta and Sotutu could use the test minutes.
You don't want to give them a player who might win the game from them. So Codie Taylor should surely be in the mix.
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After 20 years of pain, when will the Wallabies win back the Bledisloe Cup?
Ten years ago, Mark Ella correctly predicted the Wallabies wouldn’t win the Bledisloe Cup for at least another decade. He can’t see anything changing soon.
After 20 years of pain, when will the Wallabies win back the Bledisloe Cup?
Ten years ago, Mark Ella correctly predicted the Wallabies wouldn’t win the Bledisloe Cup for at least another decade. He can’t see anything changing soon.
By Tom Decent • September 13, 2022 - 09.00amMark Ella was a magician on the rugby field and once channelled his inner Nostradamus at a speaking gig in 2012.
A decade had passed since the Wallabies last won the Bledisloe Cup, which was retained in dramatic fashion on an August evening in 2002 thanks to a Matt Burke penalty goal after full-time that teammates were convinced he was going to miss from almost in front.After 10 years of torment at the hands of the All Blacks, Ella, widely regarded as one of the greatest Wallabies players, was asked how long he thought Australia’s Bledisloe Cup drought may continue.
“I think it’s going to be another 10 years before we get there,” Ella said.A decade on from Ella’s stunning comment, the drought has now doubled.
The 63-year-old’s bold prediction came true, with the upcoming Australia and New Zealand series marking 20 years of Bledisloe Cup heartache for the Wallabies.
It’s enough to leave any rugby fan over the age of 20 feeling melancholy.
“I can’t see anything changing,” Ella told the Herald and The Age ahead of another two-Test series beginning in Melbourne on Thursday.
“I wouldn’t have ever thought it would be 20 years. I thought we would have been smart enough to work it out by now. Obviously, we can’t for some reason.
“You can’t go this long without winning. Anybody with half a brain in rugby knows we’re not going to beat them.”
How did it get to this point? How did a proud rugby nation, who sipped from the Bledisloe Cup every year from 1998 to 2002, fail to match it with their enemies across the ditch.
“It’s not pretty reading,” said 71-Test Wallaby Drew Mitchell, who was part of a generation of players who never lifted the Bledisloe Cup. “Hopefully it’s this year. We’ve got to believe that. There’s desperation to get our hands back on it.”
Since 2003, when Australia handed the Cup back to New Zealand, the men in gold have been successful in just one-sixth of Bledisloe matches (nine of 54 Tests).
“When you’ve got once-in-a-lifetime players, it makes a huge difference,” said two-time World Cup winner and All Blacks great Sonny Bill Williams. “The talent pool in New Zealand is phenomenal.”
Twenty years ago, Burke did not understand the significance of a moment now etched in Australian rugby folklore when his late penalty sailed over to give the Wallabies a 16-14 win in Sydney.
It was Australia’s fifth straight Bledisloe series win and not even the most pessimistic observer could have predicted two decades of patchy performances.
“I remind everyone at work every time I’m there. I always say ‘who kicked the goal? I can’t remember’,” said Burke, firmly tongue-in-cheek. “20 years, wow. That is a long time.
“The irony is that night I kicked two from five and became a hero. I should have been hung, drawn and quartered for kicking so s---.”
To set the scene, new Wallabies recruit Mat Rogers had just scored a tremendous 72nd-minute try to put Australia behind by one point with seven minutes to go.
But Burke, the team’s sharpshooter, missed the conversion.
However, an energised Wallabies side chased the win by marching downfield before earning a penalty.
Then came a comment that has lived in the memory for two decades.
“Mat Rogers walked over with the ball and said ‘do this one for me, do this one for the team and think of all the endorsements you’re going to get’,” Burke said “I started pissing myself laughing. That calmed me down.”
Can Rogers corroborate that story?
“I just said ‘mate, think of the country and think of the money you’ll make off the memorabilia’,” Rogers told the Herald. “I think he purposefully missed the first one.
“After he kicked the second, I ran in there and said I wanted a slice of the memorabilia.
“The funny thing is that I dropped the ball about five minutes before my try. I was shattered. I thought I’d cost us the Bledisloe Cup, so I was determined to make amends.”
Burke added: “When we got that [last] penalty, Brendan Cannon and Chris Whittaker were sitting on the sideline and looked at each other and said ‘oh, we’re f---ed. He’s not going to get this’.
“The day before at the captain’s run, I missed 10 from there. I went left, I went right. I couldn’t hit it for the life of me. I threw away the kicking tee in disgust.
“There’s not many times in sport you get a second bite of the cherry.”
If only they knew how long it would be between celebratory Bledisloe beers.
As for why the Wallabies haven’t broken their Bledisloe hoodoo, one of the most talked about losing streaks in Australian sport, there are myriad theories.
Ella feels there is a lack of depth.
“We’re consistently bad,” Ella said. “The solution is we need better coaching and better players, simple as that. That’s the predicament for Rugby Australia to work out.
“You’ve actually got to deliver the goods rather than moaning or groaning that we didn’t play well and [saying] we’re learning and we’ll get better next game. That’s bulls---.”
Sonny Bill Williams assures New Zealanders never get sick of beating the Wallabies.
“It was George Gregan in the World Cup semi-final in 2003 who said “four more years” and baited the All Blacks,” Williams said. “That stuff sticks in the memory of players. It’s a great rivalry.”
It doesn’t bring joy to anyone who donned a gold jersey.
“You want this hoodoo to go,” Burke said. “When we were commentating a game in 2013 in Wellington, I thought it was the insult of all insults from the Kiwis when only the two new blokes walked the Bledisloe Cup around. Everyone walked off thinking ‘oh well, I’ve been there and done that before’.
“I was like, ‘oh man, this is killing me’.”
As the years go on, Rogers is surprised the tide hasn’t turned.
“It’s something you shake your head at a little bit,” Rogers said. “How have they been so dominant for so long? It’s not like we lack talent. Is it a mindset? Talent? Are they that good? Are we that bad?
“The longer it goes, the closer we get to a win, right? We’re not that bad. I don’t think we are. We have proven that over the years. You’ve just got to back it up.”
Analysing the form guide before a Wallabies and All Blacks match can be fraught with danger, but this year has been unique.
Despite thumping Argentina 53-3 just over a week ago, the All Blacks lost six of their previous eight Tests. Coach Ian Foster was mighty fortunate to avoid the sack.
So, are the All Blacks vulnerable? While it will be a monumental effort to reverse a trend of deflating performances, Mitchell says Australia may be able to exploit some Kiwi insecurities.
“They’re probably not as confident as they have been,” Mitchell said. “If the Wallabies start like they did in Adelaide [in a 25-17 victory], then perhaps some of those doubts start to creep into the forefront of the mind ... some of the pressures and cracks start to get a little bit wider. It’s going to be a difficult task.”
Last week, Kurtley Beale assured there was belief in the group, while coaches are working hard to ensure Wallabies fans can party like it’s 2002 again.
“[It’s about] genuinely crossing the chalk and thinking you’re going out there to change the course of history,” said Wallabies assistant Dan McKellar. “It’s been the best part of 20 years since we held the Bledisloe. If we don’t have confidence and belief, we’re kidding ourselves.”
We’ll give the final word to Sonny Bill.
“It’s going to be very difficult for Australia to win because they’ve got to win two games,” he said.
“There is definitely talent in Australia. They can jag a game here and there but winning all your games in a year against the All Blacks is very rare.”
Bit of a long one, but not a bad trip down memory lane.
Just on the “nine out of 54 tests”, every one of those nine have been famous victories….
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Team gets named in 40mins apparently.
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe 1:
@antipodean said in Bledisloe 1:
Team gets named in 40mins apparently.
1330?
NZST, yes.
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Text version:
1.Ethan de Groot (8)
2.Samisoni Taukei’aho (15)
3.Tyrel Lomax (18)
4.Brodie Retallick (96)
5.Samuel Whitelock (138)
6.Scott Barrett (54)
7.Sam Cane © (84)
8.Hoskins Sotutu (10)
9.Aaron Smith (109)
10.Richie Mo’unga (39)
11.Caleb Clarke (9)
12.David Havili (20)
13.Rieko Ioane (54)
14.Will Jordan (19)
15.Jordie Barrett (43)
Reserves:
16.Dane Coles (83)
17.George Bower (18)
18.Fletcher Newell (3)
19.Akira Ioane (17)
20.Dalton Papali’i (16)
21.Finlay Christie (10)
22.Beauden Barrett (107)
23.Quinn Tupaea (13)
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@Bovidae how much does he play at 6 for the saders?
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@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 1:
Coasting to a QF or SF loss next year.
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 1:
Coasting to a QF or SF loss next year.
based on what particularly?
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 1:
Coasting to a QF or SF loss next year.
Given how hard the RWC is to win with a great side, I think a SF loss would be a pretty par outcome for this group of players with the draw we have.
If that happens hopefully they can reach Byron Kelleher for comment and he can mention how it’s just like 1999 and 2007
