Chances of Winning the WC 2023
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@nostrildamus said in Chances of Winning the WC 2023:
Gee you'd have to say everyone on that table could kill our chances in a knockout game. But are we now even more likely to lose at home than overseas?
Despite all the gloom, we should have won or tied that game at the weekend. Cody gets 1 (2?) throws on the 5 m line that we butcher. Be slightly more clinical and that game is ours, get a driving maul moving and boomfa
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@nzzp said in Chances of Winning the WC 2023:
@ACT-Crusader said in Chances of Winning the WC 2023:
A starters chance
spot on. Like 7 others.
NZ SA AUS ARG
ENG FRA IREWALSCOWales and Argentina probably least likely to get up 3 weeks in a row ... but you just need some luck (like a red card) on your 'off' day to get through.
Betfair odds below. I think SA are underpriced given their game plan lends itself to big games where the ref swallows their whistle.
FIFY.
Still ( somehow ) ranked ahead of the Leek eaters.
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@sparky said in Chances of Winning the WC 2023:
Certainty won't be favourites. With a better coach, we'd be dark horses. With Foster I think QFs at best.
Foster will try to feather credentials in his bid to be the worst ever AB coach by leading us to a group stage exit
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@NTA said in Chances of Winning the WC 2023:
@MN5 said in Chances of Winning the WC 2023:
Comparing arguably the greatest boxer ever with arguably the worst AB team ever.
1998 called....
Shit no. Consecutive losses to Aus and SA don’t compare with what has transpired lately.
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@MN5 said in Chances of Winning the WC 2023:
@NTA said in Chances of Winning the WC 2023:
@MN5 said in Chances of Winning the WC 2023:
Comparing arguably the greatest boxer ever with arguably the worst AB team ever.
1998 called....
Shit no. Consecutive losses to Aus and SA don’t compare with what has transpired lately.
Yeah I guess 2 from 6 with losses to Boks, Ireland, Ireland and Argentina is better than 0 from 5 against Boks and Australia.
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@NTA said in Chances of Winning the WC 2023:
@MN5 said in Chances of Winning the WC 2023:
@NTA said in Chances of Winning the WC 2023:
@MN5 said in Chances of Winning the WC 2023:
Comparing arguably the greatest boxer ever with arguably the worst AB team ever.
1998 called....
Shit no. Consecutive losses to Aus and SA don’t compare with what has transpired lately.
Yeah I guess 2 from 6 with losses to Boks, Ireland, Ireland and Argentina is better than 0 from 5 against Boks and Australia.
Yeah but Ireland and Argentina are shit and had never beaten the ABs til recently
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@Nepia said in Chances of Winning the WC 2023:
We're going to win. We're clearly employing a rope a dope strategy.
Well there is certainly plenty of rope and even more dope.
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Despite our current form…id give us a decent chance to get to the semifinal at least: we generally go OK vs SA in the RWC…Ireland have to break their ¼ final curse and they will be under tremendous pressure to do so. Im also not entirely writing Scotland off from that pool. Looking at the draw, if we reach semi final its one of wales, Aussie, eng or Argentina/Japan. Which are also winnable. Tbh we are blessed to have France in our pool.
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Not being very good hasn't stopped a few teams winning RWCs in the past, so, a starters chance.
I actually think struggling for a few years, having some tight games, feeling the burn of losing is actually quite a reasonable prep. If they had made a coach change after the Ireland series, I would put us in a good(promising) place. A limited team, with a good cohesion, well coached, who know how to navigate tight games ... sounds like reasonable potential winning formula.
But, they haven't made the (coaching) change in time. No real clear approach, no confidence in coach. Still playing with a game plan like they believe they have the players that still fit a "we are the most dominant team in history" approach etc.
In summary; limited talent (but that is relative), stale coach and tactics, haven't adapted to the opposition or their own limitations. So, nothing much more than a starter's chance. Not getting the 'rebirth after the chaos' vibes of 1995 or 1999, or 2003, which is a shame, as they were exciting times even if eventually unsuccessful.
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To build on above.
You don't win RWCs with kids.
So, I don't want the coach staying and revitalising his flagging team in his 4th year (RWC year) with a shedload of fresh stars of the future. a.k.a
the response of Hart and Mains to holes they'd dug themselves in 1995 and 1999. (Although I'd say Mains/1995 was more the unexpected arrival/almost maturation of crop of world class talent - many of whom were in positions we were also coincidentally lacking in the starting XV, so I forgive him, that was worth a punt)I want a new coach revitalise the current playing squad , relatively limited , but decent enough experienced playing pool - into a cohesive well coached team who have a plan (beyond spinning it wide,,, feeding off turnovers etc) to win tight tests (because the won't be good enough to blow people off the park).
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@Rapido said in Chances of Winning the WC 2023:
To build on above.
You don't win RWCs with kids.
So, I don't want the coach staying and revitalising his flagging team in his 4th year (RWC year) with a shedload of fresh stars of the future. a.k.a 1995 and 1999.
I want a new coach revitalise the current playing squad , relatively limited , but decent enough experienced playing pool - into a cohesive well coached team who have a plan (beyond spinning it wide,,, feeding off turnovers etc) to win tight tests (because the won't be good enough to blow people off the park).
In the words of the Rolling Stones, You can't always get what you want. We aren't even going to get what we need. Where is RWC 27?
