New Crusaders coach
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<p>So you're ignoring his title winning coaching performance with the U20s last year, not to mention his dual ITM Cup winning campaigns, and focusing solely on this year's U20s? Seems fair and reasonable.</p>
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<p>No, I'm not ignoring it - I think you are looking for a debate where there isn't one? I outlined my reasons for why I think someone with Super experience would have been a better appointment - specifically referring to my opinion of where I think ITM Cup should stand when being considered. Clearly, you and the Crusaders board have a different view. I think I even noted that my beloved Chiefs hadn't followed this view of ITM cup, and that it has worked out OK for us. So, I'm not sure what you are looking for from me?</p>
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<p>Regarding the recent U20s, they were shit. Straight up crap strategy and tactics, and should have been better than they were with better selections. I'm not sure who else to blame for that, except the coaches. Are you saying that we don't have the cattle in NZ for our under 20 team to beat Ireland? That it is acceptable to not make the semis? I think that's a minimum requirement and reflects poorly on all concerned. Accordingly, I think his stock has dipped and that his prior success should be reconsidered. He's probably not as good as his results to date have suggested - that's probably why I said it's an <span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">underwhelming appointment <em>right now. </em>Last week, I think the news would have been greeted with less discussion, but it's this week, and his most recent team just got bailed out looking shit. Regardless, that's not why I think he shouldn't have got the job (see above).</span></p>
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<p>Look, maybe you guys will win it all and he's the best ever. I'm sceptical, and I suspect there were better candidates. Having said that, you guys have already scared away the best coach inside your region anyway (thanks by the way!), so maybe he is the best candidate who applied. </p> -
Winning the NPC with Canterbury is par these days, not an achievement.
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<p>Winning the NPC with Canterbury is par these days, not an achievement.</p>
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<p>With respect, that kind of attitude completely devalues what the CRFU have achieved over the past decade. In an era of salary caps, ABs not playing provincial Rugby and high player mobility I think each and every provincial title is a fantastic achievement and should be valued.</p> -
Canterbury came bloody close last year to losing last year's final at home to a team with a number 9 who can't start for the Sunwolves (Shigeno) and a number 10 who should have been dropped om ITM Cup form, unwanted by any Super Rugby teams, especially his own hometown team (Hickey). It is not something I would be particularly crowing about.
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<p>Canterbury came bloody close last year to losing last year's final at home to a team with a number 9 who can't start for the Sunwolves (Shigeno) and a number 10 who should have been dropped om ITM Cup form, unwanted by any Super Rugby teams, especially his own hometown team (Hickey). It is not something I would be particularly crowing about.</p>
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<p>I thought it was a great game. Full credit to Auckland for coming back and being so competitive after Canterbury started well, and I'll be crowing about that final until I'm dead and buried, thank you very much.</p> -
It could have been worse...
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="589130" data-time="1466218191"><p>
It could have been worse...</p></blockquote>
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<p>Winning the NPC with Canterbury is par these days, not an achievement.</p>
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<p>It's true - all the other provinces are absolutely awful, and Canterbury makes all of them our bitch, every year without fail. This year will be no different so may as well not even bother - just award the trophy to us and skip the competition entirely. They might even use lube this year...</p> -
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<p>It's true - all the other provinces are absolutely awful, and Canterbury makes all of them our bitch, every year without fail. This year will be no different so may as well not even bother - just award the trophy to us and skip the competition entirely. They might even use lube this year...</p>
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<p>Just ask Auckland how quickly the worm can turn. From a seemingly endless line of world class talent, to Liaki Moli and Jimmy Gopperth in a few season.</p>
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<p>I thought it was a great game. Full credit to Auckland for coming back and being so competitive after Canterbury started well, and I'll be crowing about that final until I'm dead and buried, thank you very much.</p>
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<p>The point is I don't think it's a great example of displaying Scott Robertson's coaching credentials. </p> -
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<p>The point is I don't think it's a great example of displaying Scott Robertson's coaching credentials. </p>
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<p>I couldn't think of a better way for an ITM Cup coach to display their credentials than to win the comp. It seems like some people believe this achievement was diminished because Canterbury didn't annihilate Auckland in the final. In my experience finals are rarely are lopsided and aren't generally overly entertaining games. I would urge you to look at Robertson's body of work coaching at provincial level over three years as opposed to just one tight, tense final which his team still won in the end anyway.</p> -
<p>I'd heard good things about Hewett, so is he leaving because he was overlooked, doesn't want to be SR's assistant, SR doesn't want him as his assistant or time for a clean out?</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/81244433/hewett-looking-to-options-elsewhere-after-missing-crusaders-job'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/81244433/hewett-looking-to-options-elsewhere-after-missing-crusaders-job</a></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">So who will be Robertson's assistants? This is the first I'm reading about it, but I've not really been paying attention.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/83545353/Canterbury-assistant-coach-Jason-Ryan-puts-name-forward-for-Crusaders-role'>Canterbury assistant coach Jason Ryan puts name forward for Crusaders role</a></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">I wonder whether Magpies head coach Philpott is interested now that he has missed out on the main job. I'm still keen for him to pack his bags in the Bay, otherwise we're stuck with him until at least 2017.</span></span></p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Stargazer" data-cid="609096" data-time="1472171548"><p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial;">So who will be Robertson's assistants? This is the first I'm reading about it, but I've not really been paying attention.</span></span><br><br><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial;"><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/83545353/Canterbury-assistant-coach-Jason-Ryan-puts-name-forward-for-Crusaders-role">Canterbury assistant coach Jason Ryan puts name forward for Crusaders role</a></span></span><br><br><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial;">I wonder whether Magpies head coach Philpott is interested now that he has missed out on the main job. I'm still keen for him to pack his bags in the Bay, otherwise we're stuck with him until at least 2017.</span></span></p></blockquote>
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Fuck me that's a great photo of Robertson and Ryan. The look like a couple of cartoon characters. <br><br>
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<p>Fuck me that's a great photo of Robertson and Ryan. The look like a couple of cartoon characters.<br><br>
I don't think you could find 2 stupider looking guys than that.</p>
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So you're not a fan of those two? Who did you want instead?</p></blockquote>
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It's all in the earlier pages of this thread. I've been pretty vocal in my dislike of Robertson. Jobs for the boys in my opinion<br><br>
Was really hoping for Schmidt. If he Chiefs get him, as has been reported, it proves Riachs incompetency in my opinion<br><br>
Ryan, I think, is very under qualified. He's the under 20's scrum coach, and anyone who watched that tournament will agree our scrum was nothing short of abysmal.<br><br>
Given the head coach is now decided....I'd like Leon MacDonald as an assistant. Colin Cooper maybe as forwards coach? <br><br><br>
But I'm picking they'll go with Ryan and Philpott
his parting shot at riach and the crusaders was pretty spot on I thought.
