Springboks v All Blacks 2
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@Higgins said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Did I just hear correctly when Richie Mo'unga just said on the TV1 Sports news "If you are not a member of the team or squad I do not care what you think" when commenting on the helpful suggestions being made to try and right the rings of the Titanic like sinking that is the All Blacks?
Excuse me Richie, all financial members of affiliated rugby clubs to the NZRFU own the All Blacks so as a financial member of three of those clubs and a Life Member of another one you had better be careful what you say.Full quote below (on the frustration of the fans). I'm with RM on this - they have to focus on being their best on Saturday. The critique from us won't help the players.
"It’s very fair. The team they support that usually gets results is not getting results at the moment. It’s fair for the fans to care, because they do… but it’s also fair on us to not care what they think because we have a role to play and a job to do, and hearing that isn’t going to help us at this moment.” -
@nzzp interesting as Stuff has a slightly different version, is he repeating the same message to different media outlets?
“I’m chomping at the bit to have another crack, but I’m also at the point where the outside noise doesn't matter for me. It doesn't affect me. I’m at a stage now if you're not in our squad, I don't really care what you think, with all respect.
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@taniwharugby huh. My quote came from the 1news website.
Anyone care to check the audio?
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@nzzp looks like part of a longer interview:
“It’s very fair,” he responded. “A team they support that usually gets results is not getting results, and it’s fair the fans care. They care about our team and care about our results, but it’s also fair of us to not care about what they think because we have a job to do and hearing that isn't going to help us.”
“I’m chomping at the bit to have another crack, but I’m also at the point where the outside noise doesn't matter for me. It doesn't affect me. I’m at a stage now if you're not in our squad, I don't really care what you think, with all respect.
“I understand the fans and people out there can get frustrated with results. But we’re trying our best, and we know it’s not good enough for All Blacks standards. So preparations will be very deep to get the result this weekend.”
Asked if he felt the criticism was fair, Mo’unga nodded slowly.Later Mo’unga, who is clearly a conscientious fellow, reached out to clarify his comments about “not caring” what fans think. He meant to say they “weren’t bothered” by what people were saying.
Fair dues. It’s an important distinction.
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@canefan thing is, a disciplined rush defence can get away with being slightly off side with the whole line moving together, all standing a foot off-side when they are all in sync, the Irish line is impressive to watch in that regard.
Luke Pearce seems quite hot on offside.
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@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow sound like the Springbokke. The bomb squad is our specialists.
In terms of simple game plan, yes.
Bomb squad, no.
This is about doing the simple things well and not surrendering position or possession.
Keep hold of the ball for more than 3 phases
Commit opposition to the tackle and the breakdown
Quick recyclingSpace will ‘magically’ appear
And if it’s not on, kick the leather off the ball and ping the opposition back either by structured kick chase or by kicking it dead
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@MiketheSnow I was more thinking on the principles of Springbok rugby since day back when. Doc Craven describe Springbok rugby "maak eers voor sag, Dan slaan met die agterlyn" Not sue to describe it in English " soften up opposition with the forwards then hit with the backline"
Despite the kicking gameplan by Rasnaber which I hate more then anyone else, the Springbok bomb squad has been working and developed well since before the WC 2019. We saw that again on Saturday.
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Will Jordan is in doubt for the All Blacks second test against the Springboks at Ellis Park this weekend due to a stomach bug.
Stomach bug strikes: All Blacks star in doubt for Boks rematch
He was the leading candidate to start at fullback with Jordie Barrett also in doubt.
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@taniwharugby it never rains, it pours.
The whole rugby internet is piling in on the All Blacks and Foster come out with the "best performancevof the year " and now this.
Its probably to late to save Fosters job, but at this rate they might lose the fans completely
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@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Will Jordan is in doubt for the All Blacks second test against the Springboks at Ellis Park this weekend due to a stomach bug.
Stomach bug strikes: All Blacks star in doubt for Boks rematch
He was the leading candidate to start at fullback with Jordie Barrett also in doubt.
That would explain why he was off the pace on Saturday.
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@SidBarret said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Its probably to late to save Fosters job, but at this rate they might lose the fans completely
only need to see the attitude from some on here, who would describe themselves as rugby tragics: I didnt watch the last test, bar a 10 min highlight package, and bailed at half time in the last Irish test...I am looking forward to attending an afternoon NPC match on Saturday though!
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@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow I was more thinking on the principles of Springbok rugby since day back when. Doc Craven describe Springbok rugby "maak eers voor sag, Dan slaan met die agterlyn" Not sue to describe it in English " soften up opposition with the forwards then hit with the backline"
Despite the kicking gameplan by Rasnaber which I hate more then anyone else, the Springbok bomb squad has been working and developed well since before the WC 2019. We saw that again on Saturday.
Bok commentators on UK Sky kept wondering aloud why ABs weren’t seeking gain line before hitting 10.
Boks have a plan where they seldom seem to seek big breaks, but forwards run in twos, so that cleaner is always right behind.
So series of 3m gains rather than aiming for 5m through hole but running away from support.
KISS is working for them, and allows pressure to be applied very successfully.
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@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Will Jordan is in doubt for the All Blacks second test against the Springboks at Ellis Park this weekend due to a stomach bug.
Stomach bug strikes: All Blacks star in doubt for Boks rematch
He was the leading candidate to start at fullback with Jordie Barrett also in doubt.
Foster will be adding that to his excuse matrix.
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@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Will Jordan is in doubt for the All Blacks second test against the Springboks at Ellis Park this weekend due to a stomach bug.
Stomach bug strikes: All Blacks star in doubt for Boks rematch
He was the leading candidate to start at fullback with Jordie Barrett also in doubt.
That would explain why he was off the pace on Saturday.
Suzie strikes again
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So shaping up as
10 - R. Mo’unga
11 - C. Clarke
12 - D. Havili / Q. Tupaea
13 - R. Ioane
14 - S. Reece / L. Fainga'anuku
15 - B. Barrett -
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So shaping up as
10 -R. Mo’unga
11 - C. Clarke
12 - D. Havili / Q. Tupaea
13 - R. Ioane
14 - S. Reece / L. Fainga'anuku
15 - B. BarrettCos those two operate together so well.
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@SidBarret said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby it never rains, it pours.
The whole rugby internet is piling in on the All Blacks and Foster come out with the "best performancevof the year " and now this.
Its probably to late to save Fosters job, but at this rate they might lose the fans completely
Yep. It's never been about the losing. These things come in cycles, and I think with professionalism you have to accept we can't expect to maintain the levels we have.
What we can expect though, is a team looking cohesive, together and trying to execute some sort of a game plan. If the Boks / Irish beat that game plan then so be it. It's tough but it's acceptable.
We've got none of those 3 things. None.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So shaping up as
10 - R. Mo’unga
11 - C. Clarke
12 - D. Havili / Q. Tupaea
13 - R. Ioane
14 - S. Reece / L. Fainga'anuku
15 - B. BarrettGood God
