Springboks v All Blacks 2
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
They also need to start RTS at 12. Ennor and Havili cannot compete at the top level, RTS is a world class athelete that will only get better the more he plays.
And he's used to playing in a poor team (Warriors) but is able to stand out amongst the headless chickens around him. Good point.
Yeah, I know he's inexperienced at test level but the other options are just dire, we may as well start someone that at least has the potential to succeed.
ABs need to select 10/12/13 combinations.
Either BB/RTS/RI or RM/DH/Ennor
You give yourself a fighting chance if the players have some experience of playing together more than once in a blue moon.
At the moment it is mix and match lunacy. The players haven't a hope of striking up combinations with the constant chopping and changing. AB coaches still think they can rest and rotate. That was fine when there was a playing structure and similar players to slot in and out. But there isn't.
I can see Foster picking the same team again next week and saying to them to build on the good things that he saw them do in the last match. If he makes changes en mass, the end result will be no different. Players will play individually and there will be no cohesion.
Only alternative is for him to pick combinations. Chiefs front row, Crusaders second row. Blues back row. Crusaders or Blues 10/12/13.
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@African-Monkey agreed
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@Tim Twice now that Ioane has been subbed and Havili stayed on. I've got no fuckin' idea what Foster is thinking.
I haven't read the match thread, or this thread yet, but I am assuming with the injuries we may see Jordan at fullback and Mo'unga at 1st 5. Old man Coles was worse than Taylor so time to put him out to pasture. No reason not to select Newell either in the 23.
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@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Old man Coles
Their judgement or interpretation of statistics must be severally impaired to have selected him. Guy is fucking gone!
Most shocking thing for me was not selecting Hodgman. Best prop in NZ.
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@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@Tim Twice now that Ioane has been subbed and Havili stayed on. I've got no fuckin' idea what Foster is thinking.
I haven't read the match thread, or this thread yet, but I am assuming with the injuries we may see Jordan at fullback and Mo'unga at 1st 5. Old man Coles was worse than Taylor so time to put him out to pasture. No reason not to select Newell either in the 23.
Havili is there for the tactical kicking to win territory. A couple of decent kicks aside, he was used to crash it up.
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
They also need to start RTS at 12. Ennor and Havili cannot compete at the top level, RTS is a world class athelete that will only get better the more he plays.
And he's used to playing in a poor team (Warriors) but is able to stand out amongst the headless chickens around him. Good point.
Yeah, I know he's inexperienced at test level but the other options are just dire, we may as well start someone that at least has the potential to succeed.
Given up on Quinn Tupaea, or have I missed something? He is only 23.
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@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
We should have stuck with Tupaea, yes he made mistakes in the 2nd test, but was marginally better than Havili. He has much better ball carrying and physicality, and they should have built the combination. Havili/Ioane is a crap 12/13 combo.
oh just saw your post. Yup, but I hope they only play him at 12 and don't make him shift between 12 and 13.
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@Tim Twice now that Ioane has been subbed and Havili stayed on. I've got no fuckin' idea what Foster is thinking.
I haven't read the match thread, or this thread yet, but I am assuming with the injuries we may see Jordan at fullback and Mo'unga at 1st 5. Old man Coles was worse than Taylor so time to put him out to pasture. No reason not to select Newell either in the 23.
Havili is there for the tactical kicking to win territory. A couple of decent kicks aside, he was used to crash it up.
Didn't Foster say DH is super skilled? If so he needs space or structure or tactics to use those skills. I'm beginning to wonder if miracle practice time is more important to Foster than onfield performance..
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It’s ridiculous how Gardner let this happen. The bok winger who got the red card at the end of the match, nearly paralysing BB in the process, should have had a yellow for same offence in the first half. Gardner doesn’t look at it and the result is the ridiculous challenge toward the end of the match.
Only one team was reffed st the breakdown
Why did he leave the scrums to sit there for so long?
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@DaGrubster complaining about the ref is so depressing after a loss. Glad it's an Aussie.
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@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@DaGrubster complaining about the ref is so depressing after a loss. Glad it's an Aussie.
It is a reflection of how far we have sunk that we can feel like everything is against us, including the refs. But we are not a good side right now
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@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@DaGrubster complaining about the ref is so depressing after a loss. Glad it's an Aussie.
It must be refreshing for Bok fans to hear NZ whinging after a loss though. I can remember all the SA conspiracy theories (not from all mind) about the refs being lenient towards the ABs as the reasons the Boks lost in years gone by 😉. The worm has turned 😂
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@Tim Twice now that Ioane has been subbed and Havili stayed on. I've got no fuckin' idea what Foster is thinking.
I haven't read the match thread, or this thread yet, but I am assuming with the injuries we may see Jordan at fullback and Mo'unga at 1st 5. Old man Coles was worse than Taylor so time to put him out to pasture. No reason not to select Newell either in the 23.
Havili is there for the tactical kicking to win territory. A couple of decent kicks aside, he was used to crash it up.
- 1 fucking kick. And if you look around it, it was a mongrel punt that bounced beautifully
He was shithouse. Get fucking rid
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@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
This team, to my mind, is full of decent players who are less than the sum of it's parts.
I'm starting to believe the opposite. That we've a squad of players either not in form or exposed to Test rugby too early. Simply too many gaps in skills; other nations are finding and developing players while our famous depth is nowhere to be seen.
Predictability in attack shape just compounds the problem so now we don't know who is what.
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@antipodean said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
This team, to my mind, is full of decent players who are less than the sum of it's parts.
I'm starting to believe the opposite. That we've a squad of players either not in form or exposed to Test rugby too early. Simply too many gaps in skills; other nations are finding and developing players while our famous depth is nowhere to be seen.
Predictability in attack shape just compounds the problem so now we don't know who is what.
IMHO we need to adopt a more rigid gameplan. We look like we have no plan. I remember A Smith backhanded a pass to no one yesterday, in years gone by that would have come off. But these guys don't know where to be, they need to be told
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Where's Razor
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@BerniesCorner Sumner
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
In test 2 I'd really like us playing on our strengths and their weaknesses. Ever since Hansen this "we worry about our team" schtick really gets me. The opponents work out and exploit our weaknesses and make us play their style (esp Ireland, SA). Why do we let them do this? And why can't we play the refs like they do? Am guesstimating but I expect the penalty ratio is getting worse and worse.
Ireland for every tackle, breakdown and everything in between were bitching and moaning at the ref. Cane is too passive and needs to voice up. There were so many questionable calls by Gus (whether right or wrong) but Cane needs to make himself heard.
