Poll All Black Captain
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This thread started off an absolute mess. I would be interested in an actual poll though - maybe one of the mods could fix it up? With options:
Cane
Whitelock
Savea
S Barrett
Papalii
Smith
B Barrett
Retallick
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@mariner4life Scott Barrett has captained the Crusaders for the last 2-3 years, with David Havili and Codie Taylor as his deputies. He's done countless post-match interviews and pressers. He's smart enough and experienced enough. My only issue with him as a captain is his tackle technique. It's why I'd go for Whitelock until the end of the RWC.
I've doubts about Ardie as captain because of his decision-making last year and also his lack of leadership in some of the Hurricanes' games, most notably the QF against the Brumbies.
Also, I don't think halfbacks and first fives generally make good captains. They already have alot on their plate as game drivers; let them focus on that. You saw how that went terribly wrong for BB in the SRP final.
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@mariner4life no doubt about Matfield and he was fortunate to have been made permanent captain later in his career given the long tenure of Smit.
On Barrett, I used to worry about his discipline every game, but I think this season for the Saders (as captain) has seen him mature as player and leader. Less erratic which means his play has improved also.
He’s always had a good engine because of his running background, but his output is starting to match the athletic ability in my view.
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There’s a poll on the first post now
Thanks @Kiwiwomble
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@ACT-Crusader said in Poll All Black Captain:
@mariner4life no doubt about Matfield and he was fortunate to have been made permanent captain later in his career given the long tenure of Smit.
On Barrett, I used to worry about his discipline every game, but I think this season for the Saders (as captain) has seen him mature as player and leader. Less erratic which means his play has improved also.
He’s always had a good engine because of his running background, but his output is starting to match the athletic ability in my view.
still have my doubts as a 6, but definitely coming around to him starting at lock
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@Frye said in Poll All Black Captain:
"atlternative"
I don't think this person is a real doctor...
Could be if someone is typing from the handwriting.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Poll All Black Captain:
I look at someone like Victor Matfield who played on the edge and if he had played the way he did in the last couple of years would’ve seen a few cardsBut Matfield would have changed to be just inside the newer rules. Always a smart player.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Poll All Black Captain:
On Barrett, I used to worry about his discipline every game, but I think this season for the Saders (as captain) has seen him mature as player and leader. Less erratic which means his play has improved also.
Red card for a stupid tackle
Unnecessary shoulder first cleanouts at rucks in Tests
Good player, but he's the highest risk of getting a card in the team
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@nzzp said in Poll All Black Captain:
@ACT-Crusader said in Poll All Black Captain:
On Barrett, I used to worry about his discipline every game, but I think this season for the Saders (as captain) has seen him mature as player and leader. Less erratic which means his play has improved also.
Red card for a stupid tackle
Unnecessary shoulder first cleanouts at rucks in Tests
Good player, but he's the highest risk of getting a card in the team
I used to think that, but not anymore.
Plus, I think Ofa is a higher risk.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Poll All Black Captain:
can a mod merge this with the other thread so we can have an actual Poll?
Am I supposed to vote for one, many or all?
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@antipodean think i allowed 3 votes
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@Kiwiwomble 3 votes was the idea
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@ACT-Crusader said in Poll All Black Captain:
Plus, I think Ofa is a higher risk.
Ofa's up there with the risk, but not getting the same minutes.
Angus' upright style has a risk as well - but again, he shouldn't be getting minutes.
Nepo's brain fart in Super puts him up there, but hopefully it's isolated.
None of those guys are in the discussion for captaincy though
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@ACT-Crusader said in Poll All Black Captain:
@nzzp said in Poll All Black Captain:
@ACT-Crusader said in Poll All Black Captain:
On Barrett, I used to worry about his discipline every game, but I think this season for the Saders (as captain) has seen him mature as player and leader. Less erratic which means his play has improved also.
Red card for a stupid tackle
Unnecessary shoulder first cleanouts at rucks in Tests
Good player, but he's the highest risk of getting a card in the team
I used to think that, but not anymore.
Plus, I think Ofa is a higher risk.
its was only test 2 when he did this...so i think there is still a risk
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@Kiwiwomble said in Poll All Black Captain:
@ACT-Crusader said in Poll All Black Captain:
@nzzp said in Poll All Black Captain:
@ACT-Crusader said in Poll All Black Captain:
On Barrett, I used to worry about his discipline every game, but I think this season for the Saders (as captain) has seen him mature as player and leader. Less erratic which means his play has improved also.
Red card for a stupid tackle
Unnecessary shoulder first cleanouts at rucks in Tests
Good player, but he's the highest risk of getting a card in the team
I used to think that, but not anymore.
Plus, I think Ofa is a higher risk.
its was only test 2 when he did this...so i think there is still a risk
Didn’t get carded so nothing to see, if we are taking the Matfield approach…
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Da fuq is going on in this thread? If Cane is apparently not a viable candidate due to his form/play how are some of you fools picking Taylor? Of all the ABs he's had the biggest form drop off - he went from the sublime to cabbage.
As @dogmeat notes we don't really have an outstanding candidate at the moment.
