Foster, Robertson etc
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@canefan said in Foster must go:
@chimoaus said in Foster must go:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Kirwan you'd have to think if Foster has any self awareness he must be considering if he can continue?
It must be massively stressful for him and his family, didn't Henry's wife talk about the shit they went through.
I feel for him in a way, circumstances saw him raised above his station, I can understand he thought he had it in him, and convinced other he had it in him, evidence now says the opposite, no shame in him accepting that and stepping down...unless he isn't considering it...
Last time I remember this sort of heat was Hart after that loss in the WC. The public wanted his head from memory.
Someone even spat at his racehorse. Fozz is getting off a little easier
Yeah all those “Guilty” headlines were an absolute embarrassment, fucken hell New Zealand, grow up ( which to some extent seems to have happened )
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@stodders allow time to get the interim replacements in.
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@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:
@Machpants said in Foster must go:
@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:
When was the last time a coach of a major team (all sports) resigned without being pushed/fired??
Did Wayne smith resign?
Of course he did, he has both self awareness and honour
From memory it was more he had self-doubts, no?
Yeah.
IIRC he asked NZRU to reassess and reaffirm him.
NZRU took that as he wasn't committed and sure of himself.
And appointed Mitch.
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@booboo said in Foster must go:
@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:
@Machpants said in Foster must go:
@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:
When was the last time a coach of a major team (all sports) resigned without being pushed/fired??
Did Wayne smith resign?
Of course he did, he has both self awareness and honour
From memory it was more he had self-doubts, no?
Yeah.
IIRC he asked NZRU to reassess and reaffirm him.
NZRU took that as he wasn't committed and sure of himself.
And appointed Mitch.
I find it hard to mention Smith and Foster in the same breath. I guess apart from the ABs they have the Chiefs in common. One guy won a SR with the Chiefs and the other guy didn't...
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As we have some more overseas posters and readers at the moment, it's important for them to know just how lowly Foster is rated in NZ. During his time in charge of the Chiefs there was a running joke about him getting the AB head coach role, as it would be such an outrageous choice given how poor he is. Another coach that was mentioned in this running joke was Mark Hammett who made an absolute mess of the Hurricanes during his time there.
Then he got given an assistant coach role for the ABs, a baffling promotion given his record to date. That running joke actually continued even after this - "imagine if he got promoted to head coach!".
Then after we got bundled out of the 2019 RWC, NZR not only decided to go for continuity by selecting a new head coach from within the existing coaching group, they chose the guy that was so bad as a head coach he was a running joke to a lot of NZ rugby fans.
Everyone at the time was stunned, and the way the ABs are playing now is absolutely no surprise. We knew we were in for a rough few years, but that doesn't make it any easier to take.
The only defense of Foster has been "maybe he's improved since his disastrous stint with the Chiefs". But there was no evidence to suggest he had, because he hadn't been a head coach since then! If he had improved then he should have taken a SR team again and demonstrated that. Giving him the reins for the ABs was probably the worst decision I've ever seen a professional sporting organisation make, and the ABs aren't just any organisation, they are historically the most successful sports team on the planet.
The damage this is doing to the AB brand in the professional era can't really be overstated. We are still blessed with incredibly talented players, but without a top class coach we are becoming easy beats to the other Tier 1 teams who play with actual structure.
It's depressing times for us AB fans.
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I think he will go.
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NZR have some cash floating around as a result of Silverlake deal. If Foster needs a golden handshake he can get one.
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Having sold part of their commercial arm they are now accountable to their investment partners - morally if not legally.
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It's just too obvious that Foster is not the man for the job. Anyone can see that now. Razor on the other hand has an extraordinary record.
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Foster is unlikely to want to continue given all the vitriol that is coming his way now.
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Plumtree was shell shocked in his half time interview which was a terrible look.
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NZR have been here before in 1998. They made.the wrong call that year and won't again.
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@No-Quarter pretty much nailed it there. Based on his CV I can't remember a less worthy AB coach. That is an indictment on those who chose him
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@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:
@Machpants said in Foster must go:
@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:
When was the last time a coach of a major team (all sports) resigned without being pushed/fired??
Did Wayne smith resign?
Of course he did, he has both self awareness and honour
From memory it was more he had self-doubts, no?
I remember the moment when Wayne Smiths tenure ad head coach became untenable.
He was in an interview with Murray Deaker after a defeat and Murray asked him if he was going to continue as All Black coach. Smith said words to the effect of "I am not sure if I want to or should".
He stepped down a while after.
I take it from that He was more comfortable in an assistant role. Big respect to him to be able to identify that.
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@Damo said in Will Foster go?:
I think he will go.
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NZR have some cash floating around as a result of Silverlake deal. If Foster needs a golden handshake he can get one.
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Having sold part of their commercial arm they are now accountable to their investment partners - morally if not legally.
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It's just too obvious that Foster is not the man for the job. Anyone can see that now. Razor on the other hand has an extraordinary record.
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Foster is unlikely to want to continue given all the vitriol that is coming his way now.
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Plumtree was shell shocked in his half time interview which was a terrible look.
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NZR have been here before in 1998. They made.the wrong call that year and won't again.
Wait, did the NZRFU accept the Silverlake deal?!?
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@Damo said in Foster must go:
@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:
@Machpants said in Foster must go:
@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:
When was the last time a coach of a major team (all sports) resigned without being pushed/fired??
Did Wayne smith resign?
Of course he did, he has both self awareness and honour
From memory it was more he had self-doubts, no?
I remember the moment when Wayne Smiths tenure ad head coach became untenable.
He was in an interview with Murray Deaker after a defeat and Murray asked him if he was going to continue as All Black coach. Smith said words to the effect of "I am not sure if I want to or should".
He stepped down a while after.
I take it from that He was more comfortable in an assistant role. Big respect to him to be able to identify that.
Greatest AB assistant ever. Not a bad consolation
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Maybe getting Schmidt on board was a sign NZR saw this coming and the wheels are/were in motion for when this happened.
Haha, NZR with foresight...
I see nothing in the media about any special pressers...
When does Fozzie name his TRC squad, guess they have until that squad needs to be named to make the decision...
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@canefan said in Will Foster go?:
@Damo said in Will Foster go?:
I think he will go.
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NZR have some cash floating around as a result of Silverlake deal. If Foster needs a golden handshake he can get one.
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Having sold part of their commercial arm they are now accountable to their investment partners - morally if not legally.
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It's just too obvious that Foster is not the man for the job. Anyone can see that now. Razor on the other hand has an extraordinary record.
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Foster is unlikely to want to continue given all the vitriol that is coming his way now.
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Plumtree was shell shocked in his half time interview which was a terrible look.
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NZR have been here before in 1998. They made.the wrong call that year and won't again.
Wait, did the NZRFU accept the Silverlake deal?!?
I think so, unless I am imagining things.
Google search confirms it was accepted. Not sure of timings though in terms of money changing hands, but that hardly matters.
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Another thing ill add which I think hasn't helped is these Japan sabbaticals.
Adds to the temporary feel of the team . Lads fucking off for a year or two, their replacements not knowing if they own the jersey or are keeping it warm. The incumbents coming back underdone and or shadows of their former selves.
If you want to leave and make easy money in Japan, fuck off and don't come back.
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@Tim said in Foster must go:
I'd really like to think it means something. But the cynic in me thinks the comms team are just working on some "holding lines"...
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@canefan the one from last night (was listening to it this morning) I think the first question was about his.coaching.and he said he only wanted to talk about the game (which was fair enough, even if he knew that was all they will want to talk about)
He sounded broken though.
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@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Tim said in Foster must go:
They don't want him to field a flood of questions about quitting
Not while he is negotiating terms of surrender anyway.
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